modern education (christian replies only... no atheists)

Well, I guess the Moderator can delete only mine. I am the only one who has claimed to be an atheist who has posted here.

 

Listen to Libertine, he knows what he's talkin' about.
Evolution is accepted as fact in the scientific community.
And I seem to remember porn on the public tv stations in germany, no?

 

Yeah, but they don't teach you about sexual 'safety' in schools.

Libertine would love Germany, it's very liberal.

 

i cant see how god is 'okay' germany's level of socialism

 

Indeed, but it is still not as liberal as I would like.

 

i.e. Amsterdam

 

STILL not as liberal, but as close as it gets I suppose.

 

Molly made it sound that way though, oops, sorry. ^^;

I say if they fornicate, they should accept the consequences.

I agree that both,
Natural selection AND survival of the fittest is true. They're fact.

Now, MICRO evolution is pure Bull crap, and Darwin probably knew it. -Just didn't want to admit it.

Give me some 'substantial evidence ' on this micro evolution.
-I'll be waiting.

The THEORY of evolution is not a fact unless µ- evolution is proven true as well.

Creationism isn't really a science in itself, but science to disprove science.

( Oh great, might as well start a new thread... )

 

Says who? You? I am all for safe sex, condoms and pills. And fortunately people are waking up from this medieval slumber of "abstinence only".

EVIDENCE FOR MICRO-EVOLUTION??

Microevolution is the occurrence of small-scale changes in gene frequencies in a population over a few generations, also known as change at or below the species level. These changes may be due to several processes: mutation, gene flow, genetic drift, as well as natural selection. Population genetics is the branch of biology that provides the mathematical structure for the study of the process of microevolution.

Because microevolution can be observed directly, both pro-evolution and some anti-evolution groups agree that it is a FACT of life.

There are VOLUMES of evidence for it.

 

give me some of that evidence.

Says who? Says G-d...and ME.

 

Ryupower, MICRO EVOLUTION IS A FACT. Examples? Speciation, for one.

Examples of micro-evolution include
industrial melanism in peppered moths (micro-evolution)
beak-size changes in Finches (micro-evolution)
mutant wings in fruit flies (micro-evolution)
antibiotic resistance in bacteria (nano-evolution)
mutational changes in viruses (pico-evolution)
low-level speciation in gulls (milli-evolution)
low-level speciation in horse genus (milli-evolution)
breeding of varieties of dogs (micro-evolution)
breeding of varieties of pigeons (micro-evolution)

It can be and has been OBSERVED. Read your encyclopedia. Keep up with the science of the times! This is old news. It is speciation.

There are many published examples of speciation. Micro-evolution is a scientific fact which no one, including creationists, dispute.

 

Sorry these are not speciation. Species cannot interbreed or, if they can, their offspring is always sterile (like a Liger). What is listed above is adaptation and mutation (both easily observed). In these cases, though, you do not have that. Oh yeah, the last two things cannot be evolution at all. Why? Because purposeful breeding in order to create a new breed is neither random mutation nor natural selection. Showing that something can be done in a lab doesn't do anything for evolution because the key concepts specifically deny any hope of human intervention or testing. It is not a testable theory in any meaningful sense since if you set up in a lab, you almost always violate the concepts of either random mutation or natural selection. Evolution can only be observed (if it actually ever happens).
Some of what you have listed above is adaptation. The beak changes in the finches is interesting because the story goes that during a drought, the finch beak size increased. Scientists were overjoyed that they had seen natural selection at work. What they found, but wasn't nearly as popularized was that when the rains came back, the beaks shrank. So is that evolution? Nope... it was adaptation.

Observation doesn't make a scientific theory sound. A theory usually must have a predictive nature about it. At the very least, it should be testable. Evolution via natural selection and random mutation just doesn't fit the bill.

It should be noted that one leg of the evolution theory depends on a tautology. Natural selection and survival of the fittest are concepts that are self-evidently true. It is, in effect, saying that survivors survive. Wow. And "blue" is "blue." Is it true? Sure. By definition survivors survive. But the actual statement (and the concepts of natural selection) is devoid of any meaning because it is always true regardless of the truth or falseness of its sub-claims (concepts of "fittness" and the nature of survival). However you define survival, it will always be true that survivors (those who are fit to survive) will survive because if they do not survive, then they are not survivors.

YMMV

 

You disagree that those above listed are examples (at all) of micro-evolution? ...I even got those examples from A CREATIONIST WEBSITE!!

Do you even know what micro-evolution consists of?
ENCYCLOPEDIA-
Microevolution is the occurrence of small-scale changes in gene frequencies in a population over a few generations, also known as change at or below the species level. These changes may be due to several processes: mutation, gene flow, genetic drift, as well as natural selection. Population genetics is the branch of biology that provides the mathematical structure for the study of the process of microevolution. Biologists distinguish between microevolution and macroevolution, which is the occurrence of large-scale changes in gene frequencies in a population over a long period of time (and may culminate in the evolution of new species).

Typically, observable instances of evolution are examples of microevolution; for example, bacterial strains that have become resistant to antibiotics. Because microevolution can be observed directly, both pro-evolution and some anti-evolution groups agree that it is a fact of life.


Do you even believe in micro-evolution?
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/

I don't have the time nor will to go into it all so, I leave you with links to discover on your own.

Ryupower, MICRO-EVOLUTION IS A FACT noted even by your Creationist (except for maybe the far-right nutjobs who still believe the Earth is less than 10,000 years old).

PS. "Survivors survive"... for fuck's sake...

 

I would like to go on record of saying that Molly the Hippy
is a fucking moron.

Im not atheist, so i can post here HAHAHA!

Pagans dont have to follow rules made for atheists,
of course neither do athesits for that matter lol.

Libertine, i love ya man, seahorse you're my christian lady.

Molly, i really feel sorry for both you, and Jesus for having to accept you.

Poor guy, first he dies for the sins of the world, then he has to have you on his team. Libertine has probably sent more souls to christ with his anti-thesis, than you have with your "modern language" christian preachings.

You suck.

 

Well, since Pagans are chiming in, I just want to say ^ WTF? The military helps spread God's word?

 

ROFL Love you too, man. ha ha

 

Common pit trap, that Macro-Evolution (?) is the only thing that can turn an ape into a human. That's the kind of evolution that Darwin tried, unsuccessfully, to prove.

Micro-evolution might be true. But that kind of evolution can't give you humans from other animals.

 

Ryupower was denying MICRO-evolution.

 

RE: school districts are removing football, a sport where a young man proved his worth and prepared himself for the military which helps to spread God's word from their school sports program

Since when?

 

RE: school districts are removing football, a sport where a young man proved his worth and prepared himself for the military which helps to spread God's word from their school sports program

Football would be the last thing to go at ANY school. They'd probably take away math first.

And I don't know how the military helps to spread god's word while they simotaniously pile naked Arabs on top of eachother for shits and giggles...and a few pics...