Missing higher consciousness

Discussion in 'Metaphysics and Mysticism' started by ThePoetSappho, Jan 9, 2014.

  1. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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    I know we can easily be deceived by our mind. Reality often seems sharp like a razor as well :biggrin:
     
  2. oldwolf

    oldwolf Waysharing-not moderating Super Moderator

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    There's this thing called spiritual materialism, where the aspirant tries to accumulate unto self powers so that they 'know' they are progressing; however many on the Path have warned the the sidhis (little powers) tend to distract one.
    Being still is important so that one can pay attention and listen. Be(a)ware that often intuition and inspiration are often mistaken with imagination as they are kin.
    In a receptive framework - Open - synchronicity will point the Way (as it has before for you). In all ways be True to yourSelf - which means that you do not lie to yourSelf, and you follow through on what you are given.
    Often striving shuts one down because we tend to have expectations while striving (we have an objective/goal in striving) - which often makes us blind to what IS in this Now.

    Remember - you are Ok and all mistakes can be transformed through the learning from them to lessons.
    Attemt to be impeccable to your Being - as only you can Know - and recognize that you will fail again and again - it's the picking up and moving on that helps the Opening to the Growth that move us Beyond. Guilt does not help along the Path - learning from experiences does. Life is a spiral - we will revisit many of the places we have been, but as we Grow new lessons come even if the possibilities offered seem the same.
    In this Aquarian age the I Know is the key, but for that one must open and pay attention : everyone has something to offer to those that are truly open - yet no one but you has the answers for you.

    Blessings are most often the lessons we learn

    Namaste
     
  3. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Have a little talk with Mr. Watts.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXq_mVU8nyc"]Alan Watts - Give it away and it will come back - YouTube
     
  4. gendorf

    gendorf Senior Member

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    maybe but our brain is not infinite. The universe is.
    So confusion is unavoidable if you seek informational gain about the world form higher consciousness.

    Tho if you do not seek information you can achieve a very calm state while experiencing it. go with the flow they say. just let all the incoming signals bounce away. ignore it. and you will be everything but will bring nothing back with you from the journey.

    yeah.. PWNED by Watts.. good post Meagain. I listen to him a lot. But he likes to go around the questions instead of answering them.
     
  5. BlackBillBlake

    BlackBillBlake resigned HipForums Supporter

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    Seems there's a semantic problem here. As far as I can see, a higher consciousness would not be something external, but a state of consciousness higher than the everyday state.

    To be higher than the everyday state it would by definition not be susceptible to confusion.
     
  6. gendorf

    gendorf Senior Member

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    There are levels. I do not think that there is only one kind of higher state.
    you can achieve one but still be confused by some other..
    I like Tim Leary-s model.. :)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight-circuit_model_of_consciousness
     
  7. BlackBillBlake

    BlackBillBlake resigned HipForums Supporter

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    As models go it's ok.

    What I'd say is this. If you take LSD, the initial phase of the effect can be disconcerting, one can feel confused, overwhelmed even when reality is hitting you in such an intense way. As you reach the peak, it suddenly all goes clear, and you're free to explore. Most of my acid trips conformed to that pattern,
    What I found was that I got put off doing acid because of the uncomfortable first hour or so. The only way I found to circumvent that was to do a light dose of MDMA about 2 hours before doing the acid.
    Works well, as you are jumping into the pool from a different board. Smoothes out a lot of the initial adrenalin etc.

    These days though I don't really do psychedelics. Not that I'm against their use, just don't feel the need. If I did I'd go pick some mushrooms.
     
  8. gendorf

    gendorf Senior Member

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    yea.. I know what you mean...
     
  9. Mothman

    Mothman Senior Member

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    I would suggest hermetics, shamanism or some sort of evocation. You have a great foundation already laid out for practicing magic.
     
  10. Indy Hippy

    Indy Hippy Zen & Bearded

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    In my experience one must first release their self in order to find anything of lasting value.
     
  11. Driftwood Gypsy

    Driftwood Gypsy Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    thanks to everyone for their responses and advice, it really means a lot me.
    the only psychedelics i've had are pot and salvia, i'd like to try others if i could find them.
     
  12. YouFreeMe

    YouFreeMe Visitor

    You'll probably find it when you stop looking so hard.
     
  13. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Searching for enlightenment turns enlightenment into an object to be gained by a subjective person.

    But enlightenment transcends objectivism in that objects must be seen to be transitory in nature and have no real inherent identity of their own. This is true for all objectifications including the concept of a higher dimension.

    So while there are different levels of consciousness, and different individuals experiencing these different levels, they all inhabit an underlying field that contains them all and is above and beyond the state of objectivism. It exists apart from any object or concept and so can not be gained by any subjective individual who has not real-ized the nature of the interdependent reality of subject and object.

    The only way to transcend the subject/object trap is to abandon attachment to this subject/object mode of perceiving reality.

    But as long as you separate yourself from the underling field by seeking to find it, you merely support the concept of that separation.

    Which brings you to the conundrum of how to satisfy the desire for enlightenment, which due to desire, is seen as a separate object from yourself, which needs to be gained.

    Maybe this will help....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4i6qh95IGA"]Ken Wilber: Your Original Face - the ever-present Witness - YouTube
     
  14. LetLovinTakeHold

    LetLovinTakeHold Cuz it will if you let it

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    Vision quest of the non drug inducing variety.
     
  15. Driftwood Gypsy

    Driftwood Gypsy Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    my husband said recently, "You're so desperate to see the faces of god, you don't realize you've already started to."
     
  16. oldwolf

    oldwolf Waysharing-not moderating Super Moderator

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    yah ...turn turn turn again and look within
     
  17. Anaximenes

    Anaximenes Senior Member

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    waaa... it's only philosophy for the subject of becoming creative. We could try jump shifting the big band era for futurity.
     
  18. Driftwood Gypsy

    Driftwood Gypsy Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    months later, coming back to this post, i am starting to learn this. it all just sort of happens.... serendipity.... life gets funny.
     
  19. Monkey Boy

    Monkey Boy Senior Member

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    I've been where you're at. The problem is you're looking for a "thing" to grasp or rather your mind is. What you're really looking for is not a thing at all. You're mind has to be completely overcome by silence.
     
  20. Driftwood Gypsy

    Driftwood Gypsy Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    i think the next step for me is get the fuck out of the busy city jeezus christ what was i thinking, driving me crazy. need to go somewhere rural where i can see the stars
     

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