Military

Ok, since you don't want to scroll back one page here you are, my post from earlier, quoted:

"I know a lot of animals eat meat. For humans, however, it is not necessary. We don't need to eat meat to survive and we have a full comprehension of the suffering we are causing (unlike some animals) by eating other animals. I personally try to opt out of causing suffering whenever I reasonably can do so."

Ok? I even bolded the important bits for you.

 

Nature is Nature in my opinion. A rabbit shot with a .22 right dies instantly, not so in "nature" You have your opinion I have mine. Don't paint be out to be a demon because I eat meat

 

I didn't, oh my goodness. That didn't even make sense. I wasn't trying to attack you, you asked me. We have canines because eating meat was, at some point in our history, evolutionarily advantageous for our species. I'm not sure, from a non-religious standpoint, if we were "meant" to do anything.

 

I should probably change that, just don't start trying to demonize me, because I eat meat, which you haven't done so far, and I thank you for your civility.

 

Broad sweeping statements about the military and your ideals don't really wash in this world today YFM. We've moved a long way from the days of Vietnam and your country's views and mine as well, of the military regime. Believe it or not, and yes I agree there have been some atrocities done at the hands of individuals, but as we have all witnessed they are soon brought to justice, unlike decades ago where cover ups were the name of the game. People serve because they chose to, no different today to any public service job. For the most part young people will do so for the life experience, you have to remember there are far more jobs of various pursuits than infantry based ones. Do you think the Nurses, Doctors, chefs, supply crews would appreciate your too wide ranging opinion of them all? My cousin is a Hercules pilot, he has flown into both Iraq and Afghanistan at great danger to himself and his crew and on three occasions it has been a mercy mission to save the life of a local for medivac. This is the life of today's military, they spend as much time if not more, supporting poorer communities than they do on a warfooting. Australia's Navy, Army and Air Force have been on a support role for Somoa and East Timor now for over decade.

 

Also just saying, the Taliban were some bad dudes, killed small children if they associated with us, so yeah I do support helping those people in afghanistan

 

A couple of months ago, the Taliban executed 12 people of a family for dancing. I don't see the OP mentioning anything at all about groups like that. Its all about how bad our people are, yet bad guys in our military are so miniscule compared to what the numbers are of the real bad guys.

 

exactly when motherfuckers do shit like that, its our job to go in their and kick their ass and help those people. How can we claim to be advocates for freedom, and not want to help other countries become free

 

Aye, all of these issues have already been addressed in one way or another. Ive only been talking about the military because that is what this thread was about. If my friend was joining the Taliban then it would be a different thread.

 

but how would your friend fighting the Taliban be a bad thing

 

You sound like someone who has been spoonfed lies and propaganda all their life. How many innocent families have coalition troops killed in Iraq? Keep in mind, we are in their country reeking havoc. Also, if you believe everything you hear on TV, then of course you're going to believe some of the ridiculous shit I've been reading from you.

Lode, surprisingly, hit the nail on the head. If you believe the military-industrial complex serves to spread freedom throughout the world, then you are a fucking idiot. But he was right, because if you willingly decide to serve evil, then you automatically become part of that evil, no matter how brainwashed and well-intended you might be.

 

Yeah, and the Taliban were created and funded by our own CIA.

Man, I get so angry when people are this uninformed.

We are helping people in Afghanistan? Where the fuck did you read that? How many Afghanis have you talked to to reach that retarded fucking conclusion?

 

Rat hit the nail on the head. We are their one reason....Financial Profit. In fact that ended up backfiring because look at state of our economy after spending all those trillions of dollars on bullshit wars, and to add insult to injury Afghanistan gave to oil contract to China.

 

I have watched videos uploaded to youtube , by actual soldiers using that xtreme sports camera. They bought food from the locals, who were very happy the US army was there protecting them from the taliban. Also my family has a military vet, and a lot of the people in that country looked up to the american soldiers, because oh I don't know, their government were complete dicks. Sadly the boy in the video I watched was killed by the taliban

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Now why don't you stop calling me retarded

 

What do you mean by funded? Directly? Indirectly? "Blowback"? Mujahideen fighters moving on to being 'the Taliban' (and others: Not. Joining the Afghan Army. Being caught in the middle) These are not the same things.

I know they all look the same but these are the Mujahideen not the Taliban.



You didn't really inform us. Do tell. Don't troll. Thanks.

 

Insulting? Shouting? Get over yourself. What I posted wasn't directed at you at all and, yet, somehow you have managed to turn it into something all about you. Congrats, child.

 

when i see this thread and the differing opinions i see assholes and likable people on both sides of the argument.
i guess i realize that the military is meant to protect us from being attacked which is good but they are attacking people who might not deserve it which is bad. shouldnt be to many people that disagree with that statement so lets see who does.

 

It depends who you mean by 'not deserving it' and if you believe it is intentional or unintentional.
If the military (coalition/Afghan army) are purposely attacking people who 'do not deserve it'.
When some people suggest that 'we'/our military is killing thousands upon thousands of people - it generally boils down to waging the war in the first place: If we were not there then they wouldn't be dead. Which might be true.
It's easy for me to say sat here that 'It'll all be worth it in the end' or: 'Yeah, just go over there and kill those god dammed Taliban' - with out considering the consequences.
I certainly wouldn't like to have been the person to have made that judgement call.
I do believe 'we' are over there for the right reasons, and are not purposely killing 'people that do not deserve it'.
It's complicated.