Midterm Predictions

Discussion in 'Politics' started by lode, Oct 10, 2018.

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Will the midterms be a Red Wave or Blue Wave?

This poll will close on Nov 5, 2018 at 5:31 AM.
  1. Red Wave

    8 vote(s)
    57.1%
  2. Blue Wave

    4 vote(s)
    28.6%
  3. We vote 'no confidence', ritualistically eat our representatives, and start from scratch

    2 vote(s)
    14.3%
  1. lode

    lode One Man Orgy

    Anyone have any midterm predictions? Anyone gambling on it?

    I've got the blue team picking up 35+ seats in the House and taking it.

    For the Senate, I'm betting on a 50-50 split. I think Dem's lose Heitkamp in North Dakota, but pick up Sinema in Arizona and Rosen in Nevada.

    It'd be interesting what'd happen in that case. Last time that happened in 2000 they came to a power sharing agreement. Things are way less bi-partisan now, and that would mean that the Senate would remain under GOP control in practice due to the tie-breaking vote of Pence.
     
  2. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

    Hope you're right. A 50-50 split in the Senate would be interesting. Last time we had that was in the first term of the G.W. Bush administration, but things are a bit different now in being more partisan and high-handed. The Democrat leader was able to negotiate 50-50 representation on committees, despite the tie-breaking ability of the v.p. Would that happen again? Who knows? But if it doesn't, all hell will break loose.
     
  3. Noserider

    Noserider Ditzy Surfer Girl

    Wonder if Gary Johnson has a realistic chance of winning New Mexico.

    The weight of his votes in the Senate could be huge. He's socially liberal and fiscally conservative.
     
  4. I predict more of the same.

    As far as to how these people govern it's difficult for me to really distinguish them from one another. Even the politicians that campaign on issues that are significant to the voters rarely deliver.

    Does it even matter?

    I really hope so...
     
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  5. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

    You really can't distinguish Trump from Obama as far as to how they govern? Nepotism, divisive rhetoric, violation of the emoluments clause, separation of immigrant children from their families, tax cuts for the rich at the expense of the national debt, climate change denial, trade wars, environmental deregulation, abandonment of even-handedness in Israeli-Palestinian relations, etc., --whatever? Are you paying attention?
     
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  6. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

    Has he figured out what Aleppo is yet?

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  7. Meliai

    Meliai Evenstar

    I cant believe more people arent down with eating their representatives.
    They probably would taste a bit gamey so I guess I can understand the hesitation
     
  8. Noserider

    Noserider Ditzy Surfer Girl

    That's the kind of foreign policy we need in this country anyway.
     
  9. 6-eyed shaman

    6-eyed shaman ShamaLamaDingDong

    Gary Jonson disappointed me when he came out as a social justice warrior who gets offended by the term illegal immigrant, and supports a carbon tax. Among several other things he's done.

    But yeah, after the Aleppo gaff, I'll bet a good percentage of Americans had to go to look up what Aleppo was on Google, because they didn't know what the hell it was anyway.
     
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  10. tumbling.dice

    tumbling.dice I Am Only An Egg Lifetime Supporter HipForums Supporter

    Wouldn't it be wonderful if we could vote no confidence? I'd set the bar kind of high, maybe requiring 3/5 or 2/3 to pass.
     
  11. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

    Feed them to the pigs!
     
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  12. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

    Aleppo Kush will fuck you up
     
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  13. NoHobo

    NoHobo Member

    Republican landslide. Democrats have a whole lot more on the line and a lot of those races are going on in states that were very much pro-Trump. Strong economy will push people to vote for the status quo.
     
  14. monkjr

    monkjr Senior Member

    Which doesn’t make sense because the stock market fell approx 1000 points these last couple of day's.


    I think people are skeptical, that there are enough lefties who live in the center who think like the west and upper east coast do.

    I think the blue states realize with the gerrymandering they see rises in social media, but they know they can’t attribute that social force into electoral power given living distributions. It’s partially a miscalculation on why Hillary lost, she insulted center american, and she’s of a generation that doesn’t know how to emotionally or politically recognize online internet meme traps.

    Also many liberals and lefties lack business-degree knowledge at a voter level; while upper-level conservatives tend to major in finance and business, and even some upper-level democrats too.

    It’s why conservative tax policies take two steps forward and one step back, while public tax initiatives fail at a slow pace to advance,
    it doesn’t have full democratic support.
     
    Last edited: Oct 12, 2018
  15. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

    That was probably a long overdue correction and an over-reaction to the Fed's interest rate policy statements. Now if it continues to go down, Trump may be in trouble.



    Hillary faced multiple headwinds, including the Comey report shortly before the election and of course wikileaks.

    And many conservatives and righties lack political and social science knowledge and are easily fooled by demagogues.

    Make that two steps backward three steps to the rear.
     
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  16. monkjr

    monkjr Senior Member

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    On that last part I was speaking from an objective observer perspective as in a right agenda making place advances on a board, and a left trying to advance spaces on a board.

    Your response is correct if you are speaking from 1st person, being tied to leftist views. We’re both correct.
     
  17. Unfortunately yes, I am paying attention.

    Obama ran as a liberal democrat and governed like a moderate republican.

    Trump ran as an extreme right candidate, and governs like a moderate republican.

    I understand that the president does have some degree of influence, hence the policy differences between administrations, but ultimately, the core of how they govern never changes, despite the four year revolving door of candidates.

    These candidates run however they please, but once elected become sycophantic drones serving a power structure which was already in place.

    Those in power wouldn't be willing to give it up every four years. The president is a prop, a distraction, and a pacifier, who ultimately does more to draw your attention away from the true power structure rather than influence it.

    ...I'm not sure if you can tell, but I am completely burned out on trying to discuss politics. I apologize for boiling things down to a few general statements, but elaboration seems frivolous, I would have to go into so much background information in order for you to understand my views that it would be exhausting.

    I think the most important thing we can do is feminize our existing institutions and move away from male-dominated cultural tendencies. I feel that feminism, and incorporating femininity into male-dominated power structures is probably one of the biggest favors we as a species can do ourselves.

    Feminism is a tremendously underestimated force, viewed in the present context primarily as a woman's concern. The understanding has not yet percolated throughout society that the advancement of women is a program vitally connected to the survival of human beings as a species. The reason for this is simply that institutions take on the character of the atoms which compose them, and what we are most menaced by -in the twentieth century- are dehumanized institutions. If women played a major role in policy formation and execution on the part of these institutions, I think they would have a far more benign and ecologically sensitive kind of character. So I see feminism not as a kind of war between the sexes or any of these stereotypic images, but as actually a kind of effort to shift the ratios of our emphasis that is expressed through our institutions." -terence McKenna

    "I'm a kind of non-feminist feminist. I mean I think most feminists are feminist because they think women have gotten a raw deal. I'm a feminist because I think mankind is headed for suicide if we don't return to a more intense expression of the feminine. So it's not a political agenda for me to liberate an oppressed group of people, it's a collectivist agenda necessary to save everybody and everything on the planet." -terence McKenna

    Aside from creating a true partnership society by incorporating feminism into the male-dominated power structures that threaten our species and our planet, I think we need to find some semblance of clarity before we commit to taking any actions. I apologize for all the McKenna quotes, but McKenna and myself are anarchists of a particular sort, and see the world in a very similar way, any way, the following McKenna quote just about sums it up:

    If you charge off with some political agenda that is not informed by clarity, you are going to end up with business as usual. The road to hell is paved with good intentions but it is not paved with clarity.

    So, how do we as a species gain clarity? This is a difficult question to answer. My view has always been that we need to incorporate psychedelic guidance and gnosis into our decision making processes. I feel that if those who influence and guide culture were to incorporate a psychedelic perspective into the process that our culture would become more sensitive to nature and the environment, it would become more compassionate and caring, people would realize that there is no "us and them" that we are all in this together, that cultures and boarders are superficial, and that we are all human. We would also be more prone to treating each other with kindness and respect, and less prone to divisional politics and warfare. Essentially we would gain a clear view of the situation at hand as well as a clear view on how to move forward.

    The issues you mentioned are important, as human lived are deeply affected, however, the politics of "us and them" seem to have created these issues in the first place...

    Any way, I'm burned out on the topic.

    ...ultimately love is the answer to our problems.

    ...I know they said that in the 1960s and that most people think the 60s failed, however, I feel the 60s were a mere glimpse at what is possible, it was a vision of what we can create and what we can achieve, it was a glimpse of the true human potential, and an example of the radical social and cultural changes that are possible. ...the biggest fallacy of the 60s revolution was thinking that change would come almost instantly. So many felt that the revolution failed, when in fact it's a process that is still progressing to this very day, and thankfully for us it appears to be progressing in asymptotic fashion.

    Well, I've managed to ramble on just about long enough here. Honestly I would rather be writing about love, any kind of love, from writing about the beauty of girls that I am attracted to and love in a romantic sense, to writing about compassion for all sentient beings, and love in a deeper and broader sense.

    It all comes down to love. All you need is love.

    You can love anybody, and you can show love to anybody just as if they were your family. You should love your friends and family, and you should love your enemies, you should love all people as human regardless of their race, or culture, or country. We should destroy all divisions, acknowledge that we are one, and proceed with love in our hearts and wisdom in our minds.
     
    Last edited: Oct 18, 2018 at 6:54 AM
  18. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

    Moderate Republican, my ass. Trump isn't moderate about anything, and he's fundamentally departed from traditional Republican policies on NATO and free trade--plus he's introduced levels of corruption, nepotism, and partisan divisiveness into our government and politics that are really unprecedented. He's packing the federal courts with extremists and Congress is eating out of his hand. One would hope that candidates adapt to the institutional constraints and political realities when they win office. Trump is abnormal in that regard. Your view of American government is seriously misinformed and badly out of date. If you're a feminist, you may be aware that Trump is the most anti-feminist President we've had--a womanizer who laments the plight of oppressed males and puts pigs like Kavanaugh in office. News flash: Hillary is a woman--not the most feminine one around, I'll grant you that, but anatomically distinct from the Donald. I agree that love is the answer, but we don't promote it by electing hateful people like Trump to office. Otherwise, love is just a four letter word.
     
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  19. lode

    lode One Man Orgy

    8 to 2 for red wave?

    People are free to have their political beliefs, but statistically, it's much safer to bet on the Toronto Raptors than to bet that the red team keeps the House.

    I could be wrong. :D
     
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  20. Meliai

    Meliai Evenstar

    But seriously how I the only one firing up the grill and pondering what sort of sauce will pair best with Mitch McConnell
     

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