What's going on here, this is starting to smell bad just like other charges against Russia being made by the US. It smells a lot like it's just another attempt to demonize Russia in order to make it appear that the US is not the aggressor that is attempting to bring the Ukraine into the Nato fold. And we all know very well now that the Russian annexation of the Crimea failed to sell as demonization against Russia because of the obviousness of it being the choice of the people. So why the rush to blame Russia for shooting it down? Why would they want to? To lay the blame on the Ukraine? What would that gain Russia? When it's just one issue standing by itself, such as the demonization attempts over the annexation of the Crimea, we are left in the dark wondering. When it becomes many phony issues with the obvious intent of bringing the EU onside with US/Nato attempts at encroaching further on Russia through the Ukraine, it starts to become a little bit too obvious. And let's not forget, the demonization attempts against Russia began in earnest before the Olympic games. Then it continued ad nauseum throughout with a sour grapes attitude by the US that it was so successful. Is this all telling us that the US can't let sleeping dogs lie and is indeed still going for all the marbles? Opinions?
My thoughts are that the Ukranian civilians were not the ones impeding the investigations of the crime scene or leaving the bodies to lay out there for as long as they did. My feelings are that.......investigations have to be done......and it is a crime scene just like any other......where the guilty are going to be needed to be proven.
It's an active war zone and so it can be expected that the crash scene investigation could be impeded. I wouldn't make too much of that. And there's little doubt that all three sides had an interest in looking closely at the evidence before their rivals did. If indeed it was a missile that shot down the airliner then there's no real evidence that can produced that will prove which party is guilty. And on the other hand, it's also possible that the airliner contained a bomb which brought it down. For those who 'care', RT news has an article that asks ten questions about the irregularities of the whole incident. I doubt anybody will be interested enough to research all the evidence we already have at our disposal. After all moonglow, it was only a couple of hundred innocent lives that were lost. More than likely in the interest of a propaganda leg up to serve one or the other side's interests in the soon to come new cold war. And I should also note that Rachel Maddow did an interesting hit piece on the Soviet Union and Boris Yeltsin last night which should be considered for what it was worth. LOL
It showed on air radar that a missile or something was headed towards the plane before it went down........
and I was wondering.,...those "black boxes"....Could they have been switched at all? Are these two, indeed, the two from this plane? Far fetched thought, I know.....but cannot leave any questions unanswered.
Yeah I saw that Rachel Maddow segment , it was also very funny. I do believe the missile did destroy the plane and that Russian separatists made a genuine human error though, and this is just the price of weak human miscalculation and an example of lacking diligence in war time actions.
It was so over the top that it couldn't be mistaken for anything other than propaganda. Yet it's hard to believe that US propagandists are are pulling MSNBC's strings to that extent and that Maddow would go along with having her strings pulled in turn by MSNBC. Russian separatists? You mean pro-Russian Ukrainians or Russian military personnell? Be cautious of the missile theory. It's being said that there was a Ukraine fighter jet in the vicinity when the airliner was shot down and it wasn't supposed to be in a civilian flight corridor. A few other questions but you would have to go to RT news to get them and that couldn't be as reliable as Rachel Maddow's hit piece could it! LOL There's little doubt the US/Nato are going to play this til it falls off the rails to get the propaganda benefits out of it.
This is the beginning of the next cold war and it's going to be against Russia. It's intended purpose is supposedly to stop Putin when he peacefully annexed the Crimea by allowing the people a referendum. Remember that's where it all began and then compare it to what the US did to Iraq. and the US's explanation for that? Well, that was different! There is absolutely no doubt that this is the continuation of the infringement on Russia's borders. The Putin hate is generated simply because he's a tough leader of his country and he's refusing to be bought off.
It's funny that you have such a problem with US "propagandists" when Russia Today is literally nothing but a well-oiled Putin ball-washing machine. Oh, I see. Never mind, carry on.
You at least are capable of recognizing propaganda. Now I'll leave you to try to understand what Rachel Maddow was up to last night. Was it out of her own head or was she having her strings pulled by MSNBC, and then they by US government propagandists? If you know the answer to that then you're more in tune with it than I am. So until you show otherwise I'll just consider you a pup who's still wet behind the ears. Fair enough?
Awwww darn, now it's being admitted that Russia had nothing to do with shooting it down! http://rt.com/usa/174796-intelligence-malaysia-plane-mh17-us/ And if you people don't like the source then get it from one you do like. So the last bit of mileage the US is going to get out of this is to say that the Russians supplied the missile. LOL
So, from where I sit, Gray, you are doing exactly as you accuse others of doing....Having your own trial.....accusations.....verdict and hanging before all of the facts are in...It seems you have made up your mind about this. I hope the truth, whatever, it is, will be proven.,....as conspiratorists are going to have a field day. they already are!
What the hell could you possibly be on about now. US intelligence has found that Russia had nothing to do with shooting the thing down. Where the hell is my rush to conclusions in that?
Pro-Russian Ukrainians, and Russians separatists are the same thing, let's not get into a tit or tat on labels, they are describing the same individuals with the same ideal. You also can't favor RT as a source on this issue, especially that Russia's media is state controlled, and employees of RT of many years have left the newscast network over this issue while whistleblowing that propaganda on Russia and Pro-Ukrainian side happens as well. You can't logically say RT is a more trustworthy source than any of the other media out there. Also the fact that the pro-Russian Ukrainians, didn't give dutch crash-site investigators a blank check over the crash site, and tried to control where they could and couldn't go doesn't speak well of honesty.
what are they hiding, their moonshine stills ??.. Dutch/ Euroboobs had any kinda of balls they would escort an investigation with a military armada and tell both countries to go fuck themselves!!
You imply another plane was in the air. Were you implying that that hit this plane? If so, where is that crash site?
