methoxetamine is just...

^^^are you just a raging ball of anger? even miprocin made you angry

 

Hahaha I'm not really angry. Just so much /facepalm right now.

 

Methoxetamine do seem to make people rather emotional. So it does have somewhat of a therapeutic value. It's just a really odd feeling when you at the same time can't pinpoint the excact feeling or hold on to a thought pattern more than a couple of minutes.

But that's just all part of the magic, I guess...lol

 

I really like this stuff too much. This is gonna havta be hidden from me or i'll do it every single day.

 

Yeah it's hard not to do every day. Try and just do higher doses I guess, so you can't fit it into your schedule as easily. I always feel so nice and refreshed the day after! I mean you might lose some sleep, but if you can catch up on that, I feel like my psychic batteries are recharged.

 

Yup, this is what I was refferin to. Don't wanna test this out if it's just introducing another temptation! Will ride this out and see how reports pan out on addiction before I dabble.

 

There's thousands of chemicals that cause you to be emotional. They're called drugs.

Because something feels nice does not make it theraputic, though some things are both.

 

We're in a thread about methoxetamine, and I mentioned it as a reference to G0dm4ch1n3's post. I have never mentioned anything about a "nice feeling". I said thay you get can emotional while being on methoxetamine. Where do you wanna go with this?

Have you ever tried this drug yourself and care comment on my statement? If not, then don't make such a repsonse.

 

I made a pretty neutral response, you may have read more into it than was intended. If you're selfish enough to think that my post needs to ONLY respond to your statements, here goes:

Your post implied that because a chemical causes an excess of emotion in users, it logically follows that it has therapeutic value. While this is POSSIBLE, it is not a logical course of thought in most cases.

Of course it would appear that this, being what appears to be improved ketamine, would have value as a ketamine replacement.

Atropine will cause one to be emotional in a manner out of character, as well. It's useful, for example in treating nerve agent exposure, but this has nothing to do with it's psychotropic effects.

I made a statement about your logic and it's method, not personal experience with the drug. Read more carefully, think harder. PERHAPS this would be easier for you if you took less un-researched drugs, while grasping at straws on the internet to show them to be beneficial? Also, while we're working with your interesting implications, are you trying to imply that this drug does NOT feel good, or, to make an inference from THERE, that it feels BAD?

 

As you refered to my post I just assumed that you would respond to my statement about the drug.

I agree, that there should have been a "maybe" somewhere in the post. But this is not an assumption I have about every drug in the world and this was purely an observasion I made nothing more, nothing less.

 

I'd like to take this chance to retract my assessment of you as "selfish", that was over the top on my part.

What I originally SHOULD have was that I see nothing wrong with noting that some types of emotional chance CAN be helpful, such as those brought on by LSD or mescaline, but those would be changes or magnifications, not simply the creation or excess of emotions, which is what I think was referenced in the post you quoted. Further, emotional changes will tend to occur to varying degrees on almost all psychotropics, alcohol being a classic example. (bitter enemies can end up tearfully hugging while drunk, or the closest of friends can end up in violent altercations. These are, to be sure, emotional changes, and even magnifications, but not useful ones, just.... intoxicated ones...)

What I took issue with was the "if a, then b" format of what you said, which would make nearly ANYTHING psychotropic act in a beneficial way. I think the situation is more "a, and we might consider b".

 

Ok, I can see what you mean. But what about MDMA? That drug can make enemies hug and embrace each other and have the user feel the same "intoxication" as alcohol. But it's still considered a therapeutic tool.

that was completely my fault. That's just me expressing myself in a bad way.

 

Mdma is a heightening of sensation and emotion which allows one to process uncomfortable/traumatic experiences more objectively. Part of the unique magic of MDMA compared to alcohol and even alot of other psychedelics for that matter is hostility on MDMA is very rare. The empathogenic qualities allow you to look at both yourself and the therapist/friend in a positive light usually and makes one not take topics that are difficult to confront to personally, the emotional guard comes down. Even though it may affect short term memory to a degree, Most people can probably jot down some notes, type on a computer, do physical exercise, etc. rather easily which would not happen with alcohol and most disassociatives.

 

I'm not sure if I would say MDMA creates positive feelings or magnifies them, but whichever it does, it allows you to apply or project them onto other things, while still seeing those things as they are, and generally being in an introspective state.

At least, that's what I see, I'm not an MDMA psychotherapist... Though I've been meaning to read up on it, I've met several people who I feel sure it could help.

 

Exactly one of the reasons I can't wait to get into my molly. I have been contemplating taking the b with it, actually. For the first go around anyway and save the B+M combo for another time with some friends. I don't know. Ill just have to roll with the way things go. Hard to arrange time that coincides with everyones schedule.

Tonight, on MXE, I faced a few of those pesky demons that have been lurking around. Triggered by the relations I connected with in that movie as silly and bit of out of context it was. They reared their ugly heads and I was glad they finally did. It was unexpected and difficult and heartwrenching but I feel better now.

 

Damn, watching Enter the void on a disassociative must have been some bizzarre sheeit

 

It was. I saw myself and my brother in those two characters so much and when they showed them getting into the car wreck with their parents I lost my shit bc it brought back so much about my dads fatal car accident. It hit home so many times and brought out so many emotions. I was on edge, crying and wincing with emotional pain. My BF thought I was a nut case but he can't understand. He couldn't relate himself to any aspect of the movie. I don't expect him to understand either because I clam up trying to talk about those demons. I just can't explain it.

 

Yah that shit must've been pretty heavy.

I was watching a ron white comedy standup coming out of a k hole once and that shit was kinda bugging me out, I don't think I could do Enter the void on a disassociative.

Did you take it nasally?

 

Yeah. Not sure how much. I started out measuring, did two 25 mg bumps staggered then just started snorting right off the little spoon.

 

Do you plan on trying rectal at somepoint with mxe?

A more general question, does anyone plan to push this chem up to 225-300 mgs? Like Around where k hole territory is ?