Meth is a bad drug

yeah meth ruins lives, for sure. people need help.

and now i read the thread and saw this hahaha i agree

 

Oh dear well we can't agree on everything sweetness.

Drug laws are a joke. It's MY body, not YOUR PROPERTY. While YOU deny ME freedom to do what I want with MY OWN BODY, you are treating me as a slave and none of your rules apply to me.

Repeal prohibition and I'll suck the nearest government dick. Until that day, we are not in common.

If a guy needs help from the government he should be able to come up and ask for it, and there shouldn't be the legal drama, no persecution for putting ANYTHING in your OWN BODY. And no mitigation in court either. Every kid now charged with crime says "the drugs made me did it" because they know they will get a lighter sentence, and it distorts drug crime statistics.

Then the council of elders they would be, not jumped up little lawyers raised in an reality bubble passed down through the ages who understand arguing, but know little of reality.

 

And spending resources on fighting a never ending, 30 year losing battle to get something off the street vs using said money to actually give people help and said police/prosecutroial power on real crimes is helping everyone by how?

 

Unless people have been in that position, they can't really comment on how it affects people.

Yes, drugs can be used recreationally and I have no problem with that. But they can really screw up peoples lives, and when it gets to that stage I will not sit back and encourage them to come out with me and do more. I have been there and have seen it from both sides, so I will stick by that.

I don't agree with government laws, and police patrolling on drugs, yeah it is my body I will do what I want to it, but the help needs to be there for people who want it.

 

All I said was it wouldn't be helping the police but helping the public.

 

Maybe we were still singing from the same hymn sheet after all. Off to bed in 5 minutes, copped my sleeping pills need a nap

Check the edit to original post I made before reading your reply.

Sleep well cousins

 

It doesn't answer though how spending any resources on trying to get the drugs off the street helps the public, be it the drug using public or the general public.

 

How can it hinder the public?

 

How does what hinder the public, help or prohibition (last little tete-a-tete this engine is failing now)

Addition: Will assume you mean the drug war.

Well it hinders me massively, it makes my moral and democracy radar spin like a radiometer. If they limited my negative conduct to things which directly and irrefutably reduce the quality of life of others, I'd have made so many, many better choices in life and right now, excepting surveillance I'd be very, very friendly to the system and the government in general.

This one, simple thing, which decides to blame a chemical not a user for the users actions, and prohibits one from owning their own body, makes me not want to participate.

I'm sure I'm not alone. So it DOES harm society.

... And off the power goes.

 

If it were possible to rid the streets of drugs, how is that not helping the public?

 

Resources get spent going after drugs vs real crimes.(fun fact, the conviction rate for homicide since Reagan's massive increase in the drug war has fallen by half despite huge advancements in technology, however local authorities especially prosecutors must spend a huge deal of resources on drug crimes that flood the system.

You take away resources that should go to treatment and prevention to do a feel good effort that has no practical effect except giving people criminal records and making people who should get help marginalized by society.

Drug crime can near solely be pinned for America's out of control homicide and violent crime rate due mainly to the fact of gangs and lone dealers fighting over profits.

How does it help?

 

It's not possible, that's the point.

*edit*

Even if it were possible people still have a right to do them.

 

But my point is... meth is bad. Even if their are laws that exacerbate the situation.... meth within its self is bad. Well, not by its self... meth + humans. Nothing is good or evil without a human placing that value onto it.

 

Why do you separate it from providing treatment and prevention?
If there was a way to get of drugs like meth from the street, I doubt it would be done using existing resources.

I don't quite understand your answer. Say, there were no drugs on the street, there would be no profits to fight over. It would probably be replaced by something else.

There will always be drugs, I never said we should get the police onto getting rid of everything. But in an ideal world, there would be much less of the destructive drugs like meth so freely available, and that would be beneficial to the public. Probably not so beneficial to the police as they would then need to spend time fighting actual crime

 

Meth isn't necessarily bad, no more then heroin or weed is. In fact meth is prescribed in some cases of severe ADHD

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desoxyn

 

I have never said it is! Wow, you're dragging this out, especially when there was nothing to say about it in the first place.

 

Absolutely. People who have experienced it first hand can see that.

 

You can easily take away profits to be made from drugs by legalizing them and putting them under government control, same reason people aren't shooting each other over illegal alcohol anymore.

And police could be fighting actual crime right now again by just actually regulating drugs.

 

There is a lot of serious crime involved in meth. That will never stop. Weather it is illegal or not it breeds criminality. That is the key difference between drugs like that or something like pot, or psychedelics.

 

There's a lot of crime in weed too, as I said the Mexican cartels move $6 billion worth of marijuana into this country a year. 15,000 Mexicans have died in the past year because their border looks like a war zone because of America's insatiable appetite for drugs, and violence fueled by guns that nearly all come from America. I guess the joke is on them.

You can't really compare psychedelics to other drug scenes, one the entire production/distribution chain is completely different and the customer base is extremely small. If tons of people were doing acid it could be a whole different story.

Don't be fooled into thinking acid and weed create a peaceful society, the 1960's in terms of the general attitude of the United States and the general public was probably the most violent decade in American history.

Also I've seen people go insane on psychedelics, literally bat shit, logic gone insane, one of them basically terrorized a family with children.