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I don't think the wording is in dispute here. I'm merely asking why I should believe that Isaiah abruptly begins speaking as a Gentile in chapter 53. This just seems like an implausible but necessary manuever that conveniently allows "the servant" to be interpreted as Israel rather than the Messiah. It doesn't pass the straight face test.

Ditto for Ps. 110. Who does David refer to as his lord/master if not the Messiah? How are any of the patriarchs supposed to subdue their enemies? In what sense could any of them be called a priest forever in the order of Melchizedek?

These are simple, legitimate questions that no one has bothered to answer.

 

On Isaiah 53, think of someone talking. They have inflections that help indicate subtle changes in the direction of a passage. But Isaiah doesn't have that. It can't in the form it takes. Where is there any indication in that passage of the moshiach, anyway?

Ps 110, as Sefardic male explained, does not say order of Melchizedek. This explains it fully, but please ask if any of it is unclear to you:

http://www.chabad.org/library/article.asp?AID=16331&showrashi=true

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In other words, you have no evidence whatsoever to back the novel claim that Isaiah is speaking for the Gentiles in chapter 53.

What else can "the servant" refer to if not Israel or the Messiah? The nation of Israel just doesn't work in the passage, which has historically been understood as Messianic by most Jewish commentators:

http://www.jewsforjesus.org/answers/qa/Isaiah53.htm

http://www.jewsforjesus.org/library/issues/02-05/Isaiah53.htm

http://www.jewsforjesus.org/library/issues/07-09/prophetrabbis.htm

OK, this commentary is more credible than those Sefardic-male has posted, but it still seems unlikely to me that David was reminiscing about Abraham rather than looking forward to the Messiah that God had promised to raise up through his lineage. Again, many historic Jewish commentaries evidently regarded this passage as Messianic:

http://ic.net/~erasmus/RAZ337.HTM

 

http://ic.net/~erasmus/RAZ337.HTM is a christian site inserting Jesus into rabbinism Huck stop inserting Jesus in jewish writings and LEARN ABOUT JUDAISM