message to all you heathens and pagans who come here and harass christians!!!!!!!!!!!

ChiefCowpie

Should not occam post a thread on the agnosticism forum

"Message to all you cultist faithfull who come here and harass agnostics"

It seems to work its way up the line
Heathens , christians, agnostics...

Does that say something to you?

Occam

 

Originally Posted by ChiefCowpie
have you ever been fucked up by God? don't criticize what you don't understand or haven't experienced... God is quite the fucker

Uh OK
Nobody is hurt,
what were you trying to do with me?
I am not sure I meant I was fucking with God, and not sure I meant he was fucking up my life (or whatever)



I meant, Humans do not need him to fuck 2gether and blow up Earth (whatever or whoever created or not it)

Did I meant anything anyway?

Not even sure I was criticizing
Excuse my poor english, not sure I can speak so that other understand me
So sorry about it

(isn't it the best answer I could make or do I have to tell you will burn and scream your whole life for what you told me? Damn IT !!!!!!)

 

i concur.

 

dude, you really need to get fucked by God

 

I very much take issue with this, as it insults me. It insults me because Christians attempt to avoid this issue as much as they can, while in the same breath telling me I'm going to burn for eternity.

(1) People did not create Hell. God created Hell for those who did not accept him. While people might not accept him (and that's what gets people to heaven - not moral action but a particular set of religious beliefs), they are not walking off to Hell themselves. Hell would not exist if not for God. God could've simply made a place seperate from Heaven for those who did not come to believe the particular set of beliefs he's set down for people to have, without the scorching fire, the torture and weeping and gnashing of teeth.

(2) Many people never even hear of Jesus - or if they do, they already have their own religious beliefs. It amazes me that Christians just expect to walk up to people and say, "Jesus is the truth" and wah la!!! They believe!! No. People have their own beliefs, thank you. If you grew up in the Middle East, there's almost a gaurantee that you'd grow up Muslim. And God would condemn you to Hell for eternity for that - simply because you grew up in the wrong place and were consequently taught the wrong set of beliefs.

I think anyone who tries to avoid this issue like Arlia has tried to above is being completely immoral.

- Laz

 

He could be the biggest christian rapper, of course being a best christian rapper is like being the best herion dealer at brigham young university

 

lol

or the straightest heavy metal drummer.

 

People did not create Hell. God created Hell for those who did not accept him.

Sounds a but like a KKK member!

 

hell no, read john 3:16.

no hell, just perish, simple

 

good. no need for us to study it further then. I dont buy the heaven concept anyway, though, so the origins of it mean nothing to me. Other than that I am 99% sure you are wrong about its beginnings.

 

i think this is the best, most stupid thread ever. is there an award for that?

 

Oh yes there is !!



You Chiefcowpie gonna get it !

Damnit!

He he

 

good points laz

 

(2) Many people never even hear of Jesus - or if they do, they already have their own religious beliefs. It amazes me that Christians just expect to walk up to people and say, "Jesus is the truth" and wah la!!! They believe!! No. People have their own beliefs, thank you. If you grew up in the Middle East, there's almost a gaurantee that you'd grow up Muslim. And God would condemn you to Hell for eternity for that - simply because you grew up in the wrong place and were consequently taught the wrong set of beliefs.

- Laz[/QUOTE]


I'm going to have to disagree with this. People have the gift of reason and know what is wrong and right. All the religions that are out there besides Christianity are wrong. The reason they follow there idols is because people take bits and pieces from Christianity. They don't want the truth. It's much more easy for them to make up there own set of beliefs and gods. They didn't want to follow Christianity because it didn't fit their lifestyle. Humans have been known to follow the easy way. And the easy way for these people is to create their own religion. Being a Christian isn't how they want to live, because it's not easy for them. So they make a religion to fit their way of life. That is why their is all these other religions. And as far as their children, they have the brain to choose right and wrong. God wouldn't condemn them because of where they are or what they were taught, it would be because they didn't correct themselves with the truth God gives everyone.

 

well i definately have to disagree with that. "all the religions that are out there besides christianity are wrong.".. how fucken ignorant can you get. its only been around for what, a third of the suposed life of man. the reason you follow your idols is because people took bits and pieces from judaism, so youre guilty of what youre saying other have done. many religions have been formed with no relevance to christianity. if someone is brought up in a certain way, of course theyll think that way is the right way. JUST LIKE YOU HAVE. youve learnt and have a belief in christianity, so of course you think it is the right way. just as others do with their belief. thinking youre high and mighty is just plain ignorance.

 

How fucking ignorant, you ask? I'd say damn fucking ignorant. I was raised an atheist, but could not ignore my many miraculous experiences.
I feel all faiths and atheism too are equally valid. No one religion has the corner on God, and that is so clear to me I would bet my life on it.

I am so turned off by the self righteousness and arrogance of some of these other members. They think God is only on their side, a very selfish and vain concept.

 

If you ever need a good laugh just read a post by ChiefCowpie.

 

Ok I never said I was high and mighty. As far as Judism goes they don't believe in Jesus , right? Isn't the way to God through His son Jesus? How can anyone throw out the Gospels...and I don't think God sides with people, He loves everyone and treats everyone equally. He's all over isn't He awesome.

 

Yes, many people DO have the ability to reason and valid ways of gaining knowledge. Hence, when they employ such tools, you see a growth in atheism, or at the very least a liberalization of theistic belief. The majority of scientists, for instance, are either atheistic due to their studies or are actually very liberal theists. You'll barely ever find a scientist, accredited philosopher, or noted historian who is a follower of literal Christianity. I could probably name the lot of them without using up my fingers as counting tools.

Further, what may appear as "evidence" for Christianity for you may not appear so to another. For some people, the Bible is evidence enough. For the more informed, it is nothing of the sort. So your point simply doesn't work out at all.

Secondly, no, many other religions DO NOT incorporate the Christian religion into their own viewpoints. Buddhism predates Christianity, Confucianism (which is considered both a philosophy and a religion, depending on who you talk to) predates Christianity, Hinduism does not incorporate Christian dogma, and Islam is founded on the rejection of many Christian ideals.

Further, many of the ethical ideas that many Christians claim people steal from their creed actually predate them. Jesus' ethical views were nothing new to the Hellenized world. Perhaps for the Jewish religious tradition, but certainly not to the Greeks, Romans, nor many other societies.

Thirdly, your point about people not accepting Christianity because it is inconvenient is simply ludicrous. Many atheists would love the idea of an after-life where we could go to Heaven, where we have an all-powerful being watching over us who loves us, etc. Buddhism and Islam are predicated on ethical ideas just like Christianity is, the second foremost requiring much more discipline than Christianity demands. Accepting Christianity on ethical grounds for Muslims would be a convenience, not a hardship.

And again, NO, people already have their own beliefs that they follow. People are brought up Muslim, and whatever "divine revelation" they receive, they would logically contribute that to Allah, not the Trinity (why would they?). What revelation or knowledge is it that the Christian God gives to all people, so that we all know of him? Could you point that out? - Because I have yet to see it. If such evidence exists, why is it that missionaries are considered necessary and the apostles were ordered to go out and preach to the nations in the Bible - if the Christian God already provides us with what we all need to know to accept Christianity? Why is it that when these missionaries go out, they speak to children, full grown adults, and old people in places like the Phillipines, who have never even heard or thought of the name "Jesus"?

I could just as well argue this nonsense against you. You don't accept Islam because the truth is incovenient for you, and it's much easier for you to just make up your own religion and follow that instead, or to just follow the common religions of your own society, or the religion of your parents. You don't want the truth. You avoid the sovereignty of Allah, even though you know he is the true God - the Most Beneficent and Merciful. You yourself would realize that if I were to sincerely use this argument against you, it would be totally false and absurd. And that's precisely what it is when you try to use it yourself against other people and their own creeds.

Fourthly: How is being a Christian NOT relatively easy? Simply, it is having faith in the divinity and sacrifice of Jesus, and making it a point to be ethical in life (and most Protestants even rule out the latter - so you don't even need to really be ethical according to half the population of Christianity!!!). It aims at the attempt to "establish a relationship with God" and to "achieve salvation", the latter via the route of ethics and faith.

In what way do most Muslims, Buddhist, and atheists not try to live their lives in a way they consider the most ethical? Most everyone believes themselves to be sincerely an aspiring "moral person" at heart - that they want to try and do the right things. So how in any way would Christianity be too difficult for them? Muslims and Hindus have faith already, as do a number of Buddhist. So neither faith nor an attempt at ethical standing would be "too difficult" for them that they would feel the need to create other religions - because these very things are a part of their own religions as well.

The first idea is exactly what Christianity tells us He does. Again, many children go through their entire lives never hearing the name of Jesus. In places within Africa and throughout the Phillipines, for instance, Christianity is a word that has never been spoken to many people. They grow up being taught their own religion, being incorporated into their own culture. And according to Christian theology, they are condemned for that.

So here we see you have: (1) A lack of knowledge about basic history: many religions that exist today pre-date Christianity; (2) A naive view of other religions and other people's beliefs; and (3) An unjustly biased perspective over-confidently advocating your own religion, which I'm quite sure you cannot provide sufficient reason for.

- Laz

 

I can give you plenty of sufficient reason for following Christianity, how about the first hand miracles that have happened in my life due to God. How about my first hand experience of seeing someone who wasn't able to walk, walk through prayer. What about experiencing stimata first hand? This is what I base everything on. And I try to spread the word for those people who haven't heard of Jesus. That is how people who don't know of Christ would find out. That's what God wants Christians to do. And I don't consider being an atheist a religion as you do.