Men and women being “equal”

Discussion in 'Politics' started by WomenPower, Mar 26, 2021.

  1. wrat1

    wrat1 Members

    The OP nor I made any statement towards slavery I see no bearing as to the op statement although you keep bringing it up
    the same goes to your other questions
     
  2. soulcompromise

    soulcompromise Member HipForums Supporter

    And she's doomed to front-office mundanity... literal mediocrity of phones and copiers.

    It's so unfair and blatant.

    SHOW ME THE MONEY! :)
     
  3. soulcompromise

    soulcompromise Member HipForums Supporter

    And just how intelligent do we feel doing these things? It's very data-entry-ish and requires very little experience and no degree.


    Can she take pride? Yes. But perhaps not there. Not in his shadow.

    She can be a great mother; and society stands beside that to a certain degree - soccer moms and all. Maybe she'll host a cool party...


    Executive? Compensation?


    Usually not. That. That's the issue we mean.
     
  4. tikoo

    tikoo Senior Member

    No CEO has equal compensation . If you were my CEO you would be poor as me , or if not , I suppose you would share .
     
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  5. Flagme15

    Flagme15 Members

    Right on. More or less true. Unfortunately, religion(any religion) has deemed that women are subservient to men.
     
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  6. Balbus

    Balbus Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

    Wrat1

    Again i think it has been established that to me in the context of this thread equality is about in law and pay and treatment - I'll ask again - what is your definition of equality in the context of this thread?
     
  7. Balbus

    Balbus Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

    Wrat1

    It is about what we think of as been unfair (or fair) a baseline

    As said how someone views what is unfair can be up to the individual and says a lot about that individual and that is why I set the questions

    Is slavery in your view fair?

    Were women not having the vote in your view fair?

    Is someone getting less pay for the same work because of their gender or race fair in your view?

    Is voter suppression in your view fair?

    You refuse to answer the questions (some 6 or 7 times now) - i can only assume that that is because actually you do think these things are fair

    That you don’t care or could happily accept slavery and people been disenfranchised or getting unequal pay - I'm guessing that is if it was someone else but not you.
     
  8. wrat1

    wrat1 Members

    post 79
     
  9. wrat1

    wrat1 Members

    Men & Women: Jewish View of Gender Differences (aish.com)
    Gender is a pivotal quality in each person's identity. Men and women are fully equal but different – and that difference is good. With their own unique talents and natures they can give to one another and help each other along the road of life.
     
  10. Balbus

    Balbus Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

    Question - what is your definition of equality in the context of this thread?

    LOL - So you answer is you don’t know and can’t be bothered to think about it
     
  11. Balbus

    Balbus Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

    Wrat1

    Yes but -

    Is someone getting less pay for the same work because of their gender or race fair in your view?

    *

    Thing is, as my wife has just commented, someone like yourself who can't seem to bring themselves to say they think slavery is unfair is unlikely to care if there is pay discrimination based on gender.
     
  12. wrat1

    wrat1 Members

    Or I am not going to change the definition to suit you
     
  13. Balbus

    Balbus Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

    Wrat1

    LOL - but what is your definition in the context of this thread - are you able to give one?

    I mean is someone getting less pay for the same work because of their gender or race fair in your view?
     
  14. hotwater

    hotwater Senior Member

    Yes we're equal in many ways, but there are subtle differences for instance at work in the kitchenette/break room/ coffee machine/ women far more often use equal than men.


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  15. wrat1

    wrat1 Members

    this is my definition of equal
    Equality | Definition of Equality by Merriam-Webster (merriam-webster.com)
    1: the quality or state of being equal

    it does not change that is it

    if bob and bobette are hired the same day to do the same job and they perform the same way they should be paid the same.
    rarely in life does such a situation play out though
     
  16. WomenPower

    WomenPower Members

    Somewhere along this thread a left turn was taken from the OP. My intent was getting views on men/boys being allowed to play in women’s sports.. being allowed in their bathrooms/ locker rooms etc

    What it turned into was women getting paid a same salary.. how slavery took place.. how women weren’t allowed

    We don’t have slavery... women can vote.. drive a car and walk beside... not behind her husband... we have learned from the past but don’t need to dwell on it.

    As a woman, I don’t want to be equal to my husband... we both bring our individual talent to the table... we work together, not compete against each other.
    Every woman has the opportunity to apply for the same job... that doesn’t mean we deserve the job... and data shows women take more days off per year than men so I have no problem with less pay.
    But back to the original post...it says volumes about a man that wants to compete in women’s sports.. not letting a female have their own sports and a man that has to compete against a woman to show his superiority.
     
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  17. soulcompromise

    soulcompromise Member HipForums Supporter

    What does it mean to mischaracterize trans?

    I think when we say that a trans-woman (mtf) is - as you put it, "compete against a woman to show his superiority" we are making assumptions about CHARACTER.

    So, do we mean to call into the light the credibility of trans-women or trans-men? Are their motives convoluted? Do they lack personal integrity?

    I'm hoping the answer to all 3 questions is no.





    Trans folk who I've encountered have made it their personal conquest to live as honest & transparent people - it's almost their ethos to be true.
     
  18. soulcompromise

    soulcompromise Member HipForums Supporter

    Also, this is the political forum.
     
  19. Balbs

    I believe everyone should have equal opportunity. In a real sense, not a government sense which forces inequality as some kind of reparation for prior forced inequality.

    I believe under the current system everyone has the opportunity to excel at that which they'd like. Putting extra burden on the smart people who made good choices to support dumb people who make poor choices is not only unfair and unequal but also disincentives self improvement and accomplishment. It's probably a large contributor to the civil unrest we increasingly see lately. I honestly don't see where you're coming from that everybody deserves the same reward regardless of their personal efforts and risks. It's really bad thinking. And it hurts the very people who you think you're helping with this convoluted take on reality.
     
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  20. Balbus

    Balbus Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

    Wrat1

    So it's a matter of a fair price for a fair amount of work - but if consistently the bobs in the company are getting paid more than the bobettes for doing the same job and for the same outcome is that fair?

    However what you seem to be saying here is that you just don’t believe women can do as good a job as men (that rarely in life does such a situation play out)
     

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