Men and women being “equal”

Discussion in 'Politics' started by WomenPower, Mar 26, 2021.

  1. stormountainman

    stormountainman Soy Un Truckero

    I just saw an article which told Matt Gaetz was the lone vote against a human trafficking bill back in 2017. Human Trafficking is the usual term for the business of selling and renting the human flesh of underage girls. It's what Maxwell is being charged with, it what Donald Trump's friend Epstein was charged with. Now it seems that Matt Gaetz had a buddy by the name of Goldberg - also a Florida guy - who was financially supporting a troop of people including a 14 year old girl ... in exchange for sex. The new evidence now shows Matt Gaetz was paying for this 17 year old to fly and travel with him. The article wasn't clear about if he had met her through Goldberg. Several articles are reporting that he announced that he would not run again, after he was caught with his pants down. So much for Republicans and their idea of EQUALITY FOR WOMEN, huh? Maybe Republicans think women have equality when they work in the sex trade because of severe poverty?
     
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  2. Balbus

    Balbus Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

    Trudge

    LOL wow man a lot of BOLD type there

    You really do seem to want to fight the corner of those ‘evil rich fuckers’ don’t you

    And why do you seem to hate everyone else – I mean to you everyone other than the very wealthy are lazy slobs – why do you direct so much hate toward the majority of your fellow citizens but have so much love for the super-rich?

    In what way would higher taxation for the wealthiest in society ruin your military and leave you country starving?

    Again, its that over-the-top exaggeration about anything left wing - that indoctrination that seems to have you equating any view left of your own as all out communism

    Oh and I’m sure I'm not the only one thats noticed you still are not answering questions or address the many criticisms of your views.
     
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  3. Balbus

    Balbus Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

    Wrat1

    LOL - So are you saying you can’t think for yourself or won’t think for yourself?

    I’ll ask again - was slavery in your view fair? Were women not having the vote in your view fair? Is someone getting less pay for the same work because of their gender or race fair in your view? Is voter suppression in your view fair?

    And I brought up what i meant by equality in my very first post in this thread and in another - now in a third - that to me the definition of equality on this issue was about in law and pay and treatment?
     
  4. Flagme15

    Flagme15 Members

    claiming to be christians
     
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  5. stormountainman

    stormountainman Soy Un Truckero

    And they never think of Muslims as equals to their Christian brethren.
     
  6. wrat1

    wrat1 Members

    you never answered any of the questions I put forth
     
  7. tikoo

    tikoo Senior Member

    Bare naked women's boobs are ok'd in the national forests re: Rainbowgatherings . Should be alright in Washington D.C . Have a go !
     
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  8. Balbus

    Balbus Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

    Wrat1

    What questions have I not answered?

    *

    You wanted my definition of equality in the context of this thread and I’ve given it (four times).

    Even the dictionary you use allows for the same definition

    Definition of EQUAL

    Or you could try the Cambridge Dictionary on equality

    Equality :

    the right of different groups of people to have a similar social position and receive the same treatment:

    equality between the sexes

    racial equality

    More examples

    · Civil rights include freedom, equality in law and in employment, and the right to vote.

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    As to how someone views what is unfair – that can be up to the individual and says a lot about that individual and that is why I set the questions

    Is slavery in your view fair?

    In my view not – what is your view?

    Were women not having the vote in your view fair?

    In my view not - what is your view?

    Is someone getting less pay for the same work because of their gender or race fair in your view?

    In my view not - what is your view?

    Is voter suppression in your view fair?

    In my view not - what is your view?

    Why are you evading answering?
     
    Last edited: Apr 1, 2021
  9. wrat1

    wrat1 Members

    Relevant and disappointing

    It could take U.S. women 61.5 years to reach pay equity with men, new report says
    • The COVID-19 pandemic has widened disparities, both in the U.S. and abroad, with women exiting the workforce at higher rates "partly due to their disproportionate representation in sectors directly disrupted by lockdowns," the report says.
    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/01/wef...nder-gap-it-will-take-135-years-to-close.html

    One reason why the gender gap has widened is that sectors hit hard by Covid-19 — such as tourism and retail — happen to employ many women, she said.
     
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  10. wrat1

    wrat1 Members

    All I did was to attempt to clarify by definition the 2 important words equal and fair and YOU begin with a personal attack
    Very nice
     
  11. Balbus

    Balbus Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

    Wrat1

    LOL oh please not with the fake righteous indignation AGAIN

    I’d already given clarification (in one case several times)

    You are the one that was (and is) evading the questions

    Of course I’m going to take the piss out of you when asked to answer very simple questions you reply with constant evasion.

    Come on let’s say I ask the same things again and this time you just answer them –

    Is slavery in your view fair?

    In my view not – what is your view?

    Were women not having the vote in your view fair?

    In my view not - what is your view?

    Is someone getting less pay for the same work because of their gender or race fair in your view?

    In my view not - what is your view?

    Is voter suppression in your view fair?

    In my view not - what is your view?
     
  12. wrat1

    wrat1 Members

    Not fake or righteous just fact
     
  13. Balbus

    Balbus Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

    wrat1

    Oh LOL the actual fact here is your constant refusal to answer questions

    AND AGAIN - once more with feeling....

    Is slavery in your view fair?

    In my view not – what is your view?

    Were women not having the vote in your view fair?

    In my view not - what is your view?

    Is someone getting less pay for the same work because of their gender or race fair in your view?

    In my view not - what is your view?

    Is voter suppression in your view fair?

    In my view not - what is your view?
     
  14. Balbus

    Balbus Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

    If this kind of attack on equality is some kind of right-wing culture war play – I don’t understand it

    How are you meant to attract people to your political cause when you are saying you don’t think it unfair to discriminate against people on the grounds of gender, race or sexual orientation (and seemingly if anyone complains to just tell them that ‘life isn’t fair’).

    Yes, you might appeal to and get the vote of certain types of white men but wouldn’t it put off large numbers of other people?

    I mean if these right wingers can’t even bring themselves to say they think slavery, denying people equality of opportunity and voter suppression vote is unfair – what does it say about what kind of society they would wish to build?
     
  15. wrat1

    wrat1 Members

    [QUOTE="Balbus, post: 9078455, member: 1139"

    What is your definition of equality - to me it’s about in law and pay and treatment

    .[/QUOTE]

    Equality (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)

    ‘Equality’ is a contested concept: “People who praise it or disparage it disagree about what they are praising or disparaging” (Dworkin 2000, p. 2). Our first task is therefore to provide a clear definition of equality in the face of widespread misconceptions about its meaning as a political idea

    Kinda what I attempted by bringing the actual dictionary definition in

    The terms “equality” (Gr. isotes, Lat. aequitas, aequalitas, Fr. égalité, Ger. Gleichheit), “equal,” and “equally” signify a qualitative relationship. ‘Equality’ (or ‘equal’) signifies correspondence between a group of different objects, persons, processes or circumstances that have the same qualities in at least one respect, but not all respects, i.e., regarding one specific feature, with differences in other features. ‘Equality’ needs to thus be distinguished from ‘identity’

    Gender Identity.

    Not quite as simple as you would like it to be
     
  16. wrat1

    wrat1 Members

    Social equality - Wikipedia
    The standard of equality that states everyone is created equal at birth is called ontological equality. This type of equality can be seen in many different places like the United States Declaration of Independence. This early document, which states many of the values of the United States of America, has this idea of equality embedded in it. It clearly states that "all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights".

    I would argue the use of the word "men" was in regards to people in general NOT gender
     
  17. Balbus

    Balbus Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

    Wrat1

    So i think we've established that to me in the context of this thread equality is about in law and pay and treatment - I'll ask again what is your definition of equality in the context of this thread?
     
  18. Balbus

    Balbus Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

    Wrat1

    The Declaration of Independence, which was written at a time when slavery still existed in the US and continue to exist for nearly another hundred years (and it could be argued that a large number of Black people didn't gain real freedom until they got the right to vote in 1965 and the end of JIm Crow laws)

    SO AGAIN

    Is slavery in your view fair?

    In my view not – what is your view?

    Were women not having the vote in your view fair?

    In my view not - what is your view?

    Is someone getting less pay for the same work because of their gender or race fair in your view?

    In my view not - what is your view?

    Is voter suppression in your view fair?

    In my view not - what is your view?
     
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  19. wrat1

    wrat1 Members

    Equality (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)

    Both equality and inequality are complex and multifaceted concepts (Temkin 1993, chap. 2). In any real historical context, it is clear that no single notion of equality can sweep the field. (Rae 1981, p. 132) Many egalitarians concede that much of our discussion of the concept is vague and theoretical.

    sorry its just not a simple concept that a few words will cover

    for my answer to your question

    Equality | Definition of Equality by Merriam-Webster (merriam-webster.com)
    1: the quality or state of being equal
     
  20. soulcompromise

    soulcompromise Member HipForums Supporter

    Is it though just by coincidence that a woman and a man in an organization do not make the same salary?

    It is more likely a circumstance prescribed by our cultural traditions - our expectations for behavior, and the directions that they suggest within the context of business and the job-world.

    Your career depends on you behaving as a trooper, take the initiative, be professional - all of which are counterpoint to the traditional gender role prescribed for girls.

    No, if your daughter behaves as any of these she could likely expect there to be questions, or even therapy sessions.




    It is at the root of our culture - particularly with those at the top of the ladder in most every organization - to scowl when a woman is forthright, forward, and assertive. Dare she question men? Or their given role? Their societal patriarchal entitlement??

    She can expect no more than below the median and average-at-best. :(
     
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