Men and women being “equal”

Discussion in 'Democracy' started by WomenPower, Mar 26, 2021.

  1. Balbus

    Balbus Senior Member

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    Jane

    I agree but it is also good to do studies and research to see what is happening within companies and on a broader scale and to try and improve best practice.

    After things like the research I mentioned above in my last post many companies have begun blind vetting for job interviews and initiated such things as unconscious bias training, these are not panaceas but they can help.

    It seems to me the worst thing to do is to just believe there are no problems so never investigate to see if there are any.
     
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  2. TrudginAcrossTheTundra

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    Individuals should just hire whoever they want to do the job they want done. Simple... whoever's writing the checks gets to pick.
    Government hiring is different because the people doing the hiring don't have to pay the people they hire.
     
  3. Calamity Jane

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    For sure.....and even if the organization is initiating these studies and reforms strictly to avoid lawsuits; well, the goal is still being accomplished, so its good.

    Then again, too many people have come up short in the hiring process and immediately blame gender, nationality, skin color (or whatever) as the reason for it when the employer/interviewer may have indicated nothing to suggest it. But because blaming someone else for whatever goes wrong is such a cause today, too many folks and groups jump on the bandwagon to crucify a company; often unfairly. It works both ways.

    For all intents and purposes, even the unfair accusations by prospective employees goes toward the purpose of creating a more equitable hiring process. We'll go a long way if we keep at it.
     
  4. WomenPower

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    So...I am the original poster....and stand by MY feelings which were boys should not be allowed to play in girls sports or allowed in their changing facilities..Girla, as well as boys should be able to have their own individual sports.
     
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  5. TrudginAcrossTheTundra

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    No, unfair accusations don't tend to create anything more equitable. It generates rencor. It does work both ways.
     
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  6. TrudginAcrossTheTundra

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    Look what you started! :)
     
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  7. WomenPower

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    Crazy huh??? :)
     
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  8. Balbus

    Balbus Senior Member

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    Well, I think this thread needs rapping up

    And what have we gotten from it -

    Well its seems to me that some on the right are trying to ferment the culture wars by trying to claim the right wing are the true protectors and supporters of women's rights against the evil lefties ‘woke’ transgender support that is supposedly undermining women (“men/boys being allowed to play in women’s sports.. being allowed in their bathrooms/ locker rooms”)

    But as this thread seems to indicate many on the right don't seem to care that much about bettering women’s rights and lives.

    I get the feeling that some right wingers seem to think women would be ‘happier’ if they just did ‘women’s things’ and stopped trying to ‘hobble’ the men by going into competition over what are men’s jobs and careers.

    But many women do wish to work and the like having jobs and careers and to me if that is the case then they should not be discriminated against just because of their sex, that they should have equality in prospects and pay, while helping toward improving all workers lives by offering free or subsidised childcare and paid maternity leave
     
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  9. ~Zen~

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    I have reopened this thread. There is much to discuss here, and because someone is not happy with the responses is no reason to shut it down.

    There is a lot more to this issue than has been discussed.
     
  10. TrudginAcrossTheTundra

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    Agreed. It's obviously a complex topic with a lot of facets to it.

    I don't think anyone disagrees with the premise of equal treatment. And that goes beyond men and women to all humans. The differences in opinion seem to stem from different approaches to "solve" it.

    Plus there's conflating of the innate differences in biology between the sexes and the premise of equal treatment. It's two different topics that some appear to find difficult to differentiate.
     
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    Very telling that not single person DISAGREES with that statement so how did we get here?

    Thanx to Zen for reopening
     
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  12. Piobaire

    Piobaire Village Idiot

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  13. Calamity Jane

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    Well, there ya go!

    Reading the article, I was trying to figure why the GOP would oppose it. The only section that addresses this says:

    "Republican opposition to the Paycheck Fairness Act comes as the party seeks to brand itself as the party of working Americans. As House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy claimed to Punchbowl News in February, "[The Republican Party has] always been about conservative ideas, promoting opportunity, and the uniqueness of this party today is we're the workers party, we're the American workers' party."

    Sen. Ted Cruz has pushed similar rhetoric that month, tweeting, "The Republican Party is not the party of the country clubs, it's the party of hardworking, blue-collar men and women." This, despite the fact that Republicans for years have been passing legislation to cut taxes for the super wealthy and corporations, and undermining the manufacturing and agriculture industries to prop up Donald Trump's trade wars, among other things."

    All of that sounds very nice until you realize it has almost nothing to do with the bill they're opposing. After all, don't women qualify as 'working Americans' and members of the 'American workers party?'

    I've got an idea, though. The article tells us that the Census Bureau found in 2018 that 'women still make only 82 cents for every $1 that men earn.' So, maybe each of you guys on this forum would consider sending me
    18 cents. If everyone contributes, it might make up the difference between what guys & gals earn!!

    Whaddaya say?;)
     
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    Piobaire Village Idiot

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  15. TrudginAcrossTheTundra

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    By conflation. The person claiming anyone recognizing that the two sexes are different seemed to think that is somehow the same as saying people should be treated differently because of it.
     
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  16. TrudginAcrossTheTundra

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    I say, dig deeper. Read the law itself. Or at least an opposing view article to find out the reason for the opposition. Don't assume one article in favor of something is neutral and telling the whole story. By the wording you can tell this one isn't!

    How many laws do exactly, and only, what is described by the name the sponsors call it?
     
  17. wrat1

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    here ya go dig in
    Text - H.R.7 - 116th Congress (2019-2020): Paycheck Fairness Act | Congress.gov | Library of Congress
     
  18. Tyrsonswood

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    If he keeps saying it often enough it might be perceived as true...

    It's not true, but since when does that matter.
     
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    sounds like a socialist organization
     
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  20. TrudginAcrossTheTundra

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    I find it entertaining how so many people think one party is great and the other party sucks. But it's also disappointing that so many fellow beings are so easily duped. It's like a warmonger mentality pitting "us vs them". Although the truth is, it's really human nature to want to fight. I guess this is a way to satisfy that instinct. But we so easily dismiss that they're all politicians, hungry to get paid by the people while telling them what they can and can't do, mostly can't!

    We better be thankful we have two sides to disagree and resist edicts from the other. If we didn't, then we'd be at the mercy of whatever shortsighted rules they'd fire at us. It's bad enough even as stands, imagine either party having free reign to rule over us!!

    But they're trying their hardest, fighting to gain the most influence over the voters with empty promises and buying up media sources to skew and control the presentation of topics - in order to brainwash the average person to conceive only one side of an argument such that they can prime the subjects into believing that putting people of that one party in power, they can solve all the ills they present.

    But there's two or more sides to a story, multiple ways of looking at things, solutions to problems that don't exist, unexpected consequences of seemingly good solutions to real problems, actions and reactions to benefit those in power at the expense of the subjects under the guise of serving them... All this and more.

    So let's be thankful to have founders with the vision to see this, and that we have two parties to keep each other in check. Freedoms are disappearing fast, but it would be moreso if only one party had free reign.
     
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