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Selfish people are overly concerned with themselves, over others. Therefore, a person who takes the life of, or whom exploits and abuses, either directly or indirectly any body else, is indeed selfish. Imprisoning, raping, harming, and murdering animals are absolutely, acts of selfishness on the part of humans who are responsible for such daily atrocities. Such actions are unnecessary and cannot be justified by any reasonable explanation. Why humans carry out such acts of evil, is a question which I answered to a degree in one of my previous posts in this thread. But ignorance and greed are fundamentally the reasons behind humanity's ill treatment of non-humans.



Regarding misinformation. It is the meat eaters whom pass on their erroneous teachings. Their propaganda is rife. Their lies are widespread, they mostly go unquestioned, and are diametrically opposite to actuality. The facts prove this. Please pass on anything which they have said regarding animal products, and I assure you that refutation would be imminently forthcoming.

Perhaps you do not see the problems with injecting growth hormones into animals because you have not bothered to look.



Apart from harming the animal in the first place by stabbing it and forcing unnecessary medication into it (which I am sure you would not appreciate if it was to happen to you), other risks include: breast cancer, colon cancer, diabetes and hypertension in the humans who consume the animals and their derivitives. BGH (bovine growth hormone) treated cows are more susceptible to "mad cow disease", udder infections and birthing deformed calves. Milk and other products from BGH treated cows may contain less protein and higher levels of saturated fat as well as pus, bacteria and antibiotics. Even though the FDA has acknowledged some of these dangers, they maintain approval of BGH's use in beef and dairy products and have refused to require labeling of products derived from use of BGH. And that is just the tip of the iceberg.

It is pure fallacy and completely untrue that vegans (and vegetarians) do not have available to them adequate sources of high quality iron.



Just take a look at the table in this link , scroll down a little.

See me previous post on B12. Vitamin D is not a problem at all. It is available through sunlight. The human body produces vitamin D on exposure to sunlight alone. The body only needs about 20 minutes or so exposure to overcast sunlight each day, with only hands and face exposed, to be able to produce enough vitamin D. Not a problem in the least. But, for those whom never see any sunlight, vitamin D is available in a vegan (synthesized) form as a supplement.

The point you are missing here, is that grazing is only a part of the land use issue. Animals do not just live from grass, as many believe they do do due to years of 'idealistic' miseducation, they need specially grown plants, crops, grown just for them. The animals require huge amounts of plants to be grown for them, and so huge areas of the Earth are used in which to grow them.



Anyway, I want the land to be natural. I want land covered with trees, and left alone for wildlife who have no where else to live. I do not want a land which is bereft of trees because humans have reared millions of animals which eat every new shoot as soon as it surfaces, thus depriving them any chance of becoming a new tree.

That is an unfounded statement.

Firstly, veganism is not a cult. Secondly, I am not lying.



You have a distorted sense of ethics if you consider the actions of those whom seek to save the lives of billions of animals etc. per year, to be somehow 'wrong'. Those whom seek to prevent animal suffering, and to save the lives of the humans who feed themselves in ways which bring about innumerable diseases. And whose aim it is to prevent destruction of the biosphere, the environment, the Earth and all life on it, are acting in a way congruent with the highest morals. For their ways are the ways of those whom follow a principle of 'least harm'. Their ways are based on rational science, logic, empathy, compassion and reasonable living.

Lets get this straight. We were born, we are. We need food. All the food we need is available from plant sources. We do not need to harm animals at all. Animals feel pain just as we do. Plants do not. That is all that matters. And in that knowledge, reasonable, compassionate, and altruistic decisions regarding food should be made (especially regarding the knowledge that plants are also the best source of nutrition. Numerous studies have proven that).



If you deny that most humans are racist and ignorant regarding how they consider non-human animals in comparison with humans, and regarding their knowledge concerning nutrition, then you are seriously deluded.

I am glad you can see that.

People in the third world watch their animals die every time there is drought. For it is always the animals who have their food removed first. Yes, that is right. Animals need to be fed also. They need their food to be specially grown, by the farmer. Many of these third world farmers do not merely farm to provide themselves with food. Many farm for economic reasons. They farm crops to be sold at markets, for money.



I think that you perhaps misunderstood me when I wrote; "Humanity does not need any animal derived foods whatsoever". On a fundamental level, that means that the species is not dependant on specialized nutrients which are only available for certain animals whom manufacture them exclusively. Because everything humans need, food wise is available from non-animal sources. I really cannot say that enough. Many disbelieve that, they are ignorant.



ig·no·rant (gnr-nt)

adj.



1. Lacking education or knowledge.

2. Showing or arising from a lack of education or knowledge: an ignorant mistake.

3. Unaware or uninformed.

 

For those whom wish to no longer be responsible for the mistreatment and murder of animals, and destruction of the planet. And for those whom wish to make the best decision regarding their own health and diet, by adopting a vegan diet, below are some excellent sites to take a look at:


http://www.eatveg.com/veganlfaq.htm


Vegan recipe search engine.


More recipes.


Nutrition information.


http://goveg.com


Vegan food brands database. UK only.


Animal derived ingredient list.


www.milksucks.com


http://www.notmilk.com/


http://www.veganhealth.org/shv/


http://www.azvegan.com/


http://www.veganforlife.org/


http://www.planetvegan.org/default.asp


http://members.fortunecity.com/ricardo005/Ricardo4you/id5.html

 

Then check this out. Don't be too surprised:

http://www.famousveggie.com/

 

The animals were brought into existence by humans. The only reason they live is because humanity has forced them into being. They were created by humans for the sole purpose of being killed by humans. They are only going to die because humans made them in the first place.

The way animals are killed is incredibly brutal. They suffer incredible mental and physical pain. You can see the reality here.

Now compare that video to this video

This IS reality people. Do not deny it.

 

Like I said, I won't buy meat at all.

 

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Oh for fucks sake, these threads piss me off...

Leave people fucking alone if they want to eat meat, damn...

You veggie people get on my fucking nerves. You are a bunch of hypocrites. Who say they dont want to be pressured to eat meat, and dont want others to force views on you, and look what the fuck you're doing. Who died and made you the ruler of food and people's diets... Get a life and just worry about your own. God, this stuff pisses me off. You wonder why people get fucking annoyed with vegans and such. Cause you people are annoying and very very hypocritical... If I want to eat meat, thats my business, worry about yourself, for once. Real vegans and vegetarians never force it upon people, and people who dont eat meat cause "they want to be cool" are the ones who post fucking lame threads like this..

 

Who does it need to be proved to? I think it should be assumed that all animals are, like us, conscious, before it is assumed that they aren't, just because we don't know. "Let's do all these crazy things to others because we don't know if it's harmful or not, or how harmful!" I think we should instead treat everyone as we would treat ourselves.

 

good luck in the real world, cause you are living in some crazy fantasy world...

 

I agree that it shouldn't be pressed upon people.

 

Thanks.............

 

I don't see the separation of people from animals, or their problems. I see it all as one big problem, connected.

 

The main difference is the ones on farms are being controlled by someone other than themselves, and that's where I see the wrong.

 

To each his own.

 

All injustice is injustice, no matter who it's happening to.

 

What about plants, they have feelings too...
I am sure they scream and cry when they are pulled from their roots..but you eat those..
And sorry, hate to be the one to break it to ya, but ANIMALS AND HUMANS ARE DIFFERENT...and if you cant see that, you might want to go and start back at first grade..

 

hahaha. of course, I'd only eat him if you offered.

 

There are people living crowded in cages and held against their will?! Where?

 

I am not a plant.

Yes, they are different, but not lesser.

 

Uh, yeah, I didnt call you a plant...