Meat of the future: Without animals!?

In proper chemistry usage, no it cannot. There is no meaning of alkalinity outside of aqueous solution where acid-base reactions can occur.

The wikipedia article in your own link discusses alkalinity. Your own link disagrees with you.

The wordnet definition, of a pH higher than 7 is flat out wrong. At a pH above 7 (at 25 C, 1 atm and in pure water) the pH is alkaline, but this IS NOT the same thing as alkalinity. That's like confusing birds and birdhouses.

The other definitions are somewhere between ambiguous and wrong. The concentration of alkali metals is NOT the alkalinity. Make a solution of NaCl. Measure the sodium concentration, that is, the concentration of that alkali. What's the alkalinity of the solution? 0 eq/l! Alkali metals and alkaline earth metals DO NOT provide alkalinity. Rather, alkalinity is provided by the charge overbalance provided by alkali metals and alkaline earth metals over conservative anions (conservative here = conjugate base of strong acids). This can only occur due to the dissolution of things like hydroxides, carbonates, borates, etc.

If they meant something else with their usage it's totally unclear what they were trying to get at. Alkalinity is a property of some aqueous solutions--nothing more, nothing less.

Chris

p.s. Please feel free to appologize for calling me a "fraud"

 

now there is ample evidence that that the companys that are embarking on this quest to introduce! terminator tech into the world have already done untold damage!!! do you deny that this has happend? and for what porpus would you introduce this tech outher than to gain control??? the fact of the matter is that because of corporate greed and the desire to have control over the worlds food supply is what drives this!!!!! but that is not my primary issue! if you let terminator crops pollinate outher crops you essentially destroy the abillity for pepole to have a say in their ability to grow their own food!!! monsanto has already taken a pantent out on a type of wheat that was developed over 1000snd ove yrs and tries to sue any one that grows it!!!!
hear is the thing a gmo is not nessicarily bad its been done since agriculture began!!!!! the problem is transspeicies!!! im sorry, but fish genes do not belong in my CORN!!!!!!! no one knows at this point what that could entail!!!!!!!! not to mention the law regarding intulectual property rights!!! not to mention what right does any one have to make a farmer pay every yre to save the seed that was contaminated by another???? not to mention that closly realated speicisies hav developed imunity to ant produce toxins that only come frome unrealated speicies!!!!!! now chris i could say this is all well and good in a laboratory whith no chance of tainting the real world but already the geinie is out of the bottle!!!!! should we just leave the cap off???????????

 

pls forgive me im on dial up and typ with one finger! but if you cant understand the potential for unrevesible genetic pollution then i will have to question your intelligence ! so sorry!! PEACE!

 

now there is ample evidence that that the companys that are embarking on this quest to introduce! terminator tech into the world have already done untold damage!!!

Anyone can argue that anything has "already done untold damage" since we have no idea what the damage could be, by definition.

Puppies have already done untold damage.

Jupitor has already done untold damage.

Stephen Colbert has already done untold damage.

Without defining the damage specifically and quantifying it, such accusations are simply not worthwhile. We can run a society based on "untold damage," in other words, based on our ignorance of reality.

do you deny that this has happend?

That what has happened???


and for what porpus would you introduce this tech outher than to gain control???

None that I can think of. Monsanto wants farmes to have to regularly buy more seed from them. I think it's dispicable. It makes perfectly good business sense though.

the fact of the matter is that because of corporate greed and the desire to have control over the worlds food supply is what drives this!!!!!

I don't think they care if they have control over the food supply (they won't, even with terminator tech). They care about maximizing profit, which is the purpose of a corporation. This will help them do that. If we in society don't want them to do this, we have to find a legal way to prevent it.

but that is not my primary issue! if you let terminator crops pollinate outher crops you essentially destroy the abillity for pepole to have a say in their ability to grow their own food!!!

Please show me the evidence that this has occurred or is likely to occur. Crop pollen doesn't travel nearly as far as some folks think in any sort of significant quantity. Pretty modest buffers are all that is necessary to preserve crop varieties when grown in the same vecinity. This isn't new.

monsanto has already taken a pantent out on a type of wheat that was developed over 1000snd ove yrs and tries to sue any one that grows it!!!!

Can you provide that info? I'm not familiar with what you're referring to.

hear is the thing a gmo is not nessicarily bad its been done since agriculture began!!!!! the problem is transspeicies!!!

3.5 billion years of viral gene transfer can't be wrong Genes are transferred between species, even surprisingly unrelated species, in nature and have been for billions of years. We are simply using these processes to our advantage now.

im sorry, but fish genes do not belong in my CORN!!!!!!!

And pudding doesn't belong in gumbo, but I'm not sure it was ever a suggestion

no one knows at this point what that could entail!!!!!!!!

And why are you worried about an unknown hypothetical that no one is arguing for?

not to mention the law regarding intulectual property rights!!! not to mention what right does any one have to make a farmer pay every yre to save the seed that was contaminated by another????

As I said, I think it's dispicable, but unless it is illegal they have every right to do it. That is how a society should be: we should be absolutely free to do as we wish, except where the law dictates otherwise. It's good business sense, however morally reprehensible.

not to mention that closly realated speicisies hav developed imunity to ant produce toxins that only come frome unrealated speicies!!!!!!

I don't understand what you're trying to say???

now chris i could say this is all well and good in a laboratory whith no chance of tainting the real world but already the geinie is out of the bottle!!!!! should we just leave the cap off?????????

What specifically is "well and good in a laboratory" but not in "the real world"? I mean, there are lots of things that we use in the lab that should just get dumped into the environment...so they aren't? What are you getting at?

 

It's a matter of risk assessment. For example, what are the risks of introducing wheat that produces beta carotene? The only risk that seemed significant before it was introduced was gene transfer to related, wild species through cross pollination. This was rigorously tested and found to be extremely unlikely. What are the benefits? Well, tens of millions of people can see today that would have otherwise gone blind due to vit. A deficiency. The risk of "genetic pollution" of wild species was and still is very, very small while the benefit was enormous. I'm very thankful, therefore, that golden rice was produced and is widely grown today.

For those that think that irreversible genetic pollution of wild organisms from GMOs is a major risk I would not be rude or foolish as to question their intelligence, but I would question their learnedness. The studies needed to assess how to proplerly maintain varieties by preventing cross-pollination have been ongoing as long as modern agriculture. Suggesting that producing a GMO and growing it in the real world is inherently yields a substantial risk of cross-pollination with non-GMO varieties tells me a person has not done their homework.

 

ahh risk assesment? dont you think that should have been done BEFORE it was released int MY ORT YOUR OUR ANY ONE ELSES ENVIROMENT?? and yes i can give you studies that were cunducted by the same componies that market this SHIT! and i will but its not going to happen at a moments notice! as ive said its dial up for me so it is a laborious prossess!! can you refute my claims? are they not worthy? were you can GENETICLY pollute my enviroment and subject me or the rest of the WORLD to untested tech?? i had to ask my freind again how to post links, they will be forth coming!! in the meantime keep your shit out of my enviroment OK!!!

 

that ended in exclamations rather than a question its a demand rather than a request!!!! you or they have no right!!!!!!!

 

The Aroian lab at UCSD uses C. elegans to study Bt (bacillus thuringiensis). Bt is related to a species of bacteria that causes food poisoning and also to the bacterium that causes anthrax (bacillus anthracis). Bt kills only very specific species of insects.

Many organic farmers have used Bt for over 50 years as a pesticide to control insects. Bt is also used to control mosquitoes, and other insects that bite and spread disease. And now, genes from Bt is used to modify plants so that the plants produce the Bt toxins and kill insects that try to eat them without any external spraying.

So with 50 yrs of use, you'd think we've got everything figured out about Bt. But the truth is, we don't know much. Most importantly, we don't know how it works. Some would argue, why bother knowing how it works if it's been working for the past 50 yrs. True, but then there is the problem of resistance. What if insects turn resistant to Bt like many bacterium have turned resistant to antibiotics?

For every single synthetic pesticide that is in use today, there are species of insects that are resistant to it. Many of the more powerful synthetic pesticides have been or will be taken off the market due to health and environmental hazards. There have been reports of 2 species in the field that are resistant to Bt, there will be more. So in the hopes of preventing this, labs like the Aroian lab are trying to figure out how Bt works on a molecular level and maybe someday find out a way to prevent resistance in insects.
pretty bening unless you happen to be allergic to the toxin it produces, once its in the feild its there infecting EVERYONES food, again no right!!!!!!!!!

 

just somthing to think about the meat is coming!!!http://www.relfe.com/GMOs.html

 

Without being too harsh, perhaps you didn't see that bit above about the testing that was performed before golden rice was introduced? The suggestion that no testing, or little testing, is done before release is simply incorrect. This sort of testing started over a century ago when folks were simply trying to keep varieties "pure" or to produce new ones. Of all the things to be worked up over and concerned with, this is largely a matter of barking up the wrong tree.

 

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Monsanto#Terminator_Technology

 

This decision of the GEAC is welcomed by RFSTE and others because GMO's or no GMO's, Monsanto seeds are spreading disaster and recently Monsanto hybrid maize seeds has failed in more than 350,000 acres in about 11 districts of north Bihar. Farmers of these districts are in deep distress because Monsanto's sold its 700 metric tonnes of “Cargill hybrid 900M” maize seeds in the flood prone areas of north Bihar. Similarly the water intensive hybrid maize seeds were introduced in the drought prone regions of Rajasthan which has put extra burden of chemical inputs and water on the Rajasthani farmers. Though Monsanto India Ltd., a subsidiary of the US multinational, has been barred from selling seeds in Bihar for allegedly marketing substandard products, the intensive campaign by RFTSE in Udaipur forced the local NGO Karamsheel to snap their ties with Monsanto for spreading its Hamsafar programme for the propagation of maize seeds.

Bt. cotton failed in India

 

i could go on and on and on,, ive been reserching this for a looong time it has causd untold harm it destroys crops it destroys the lively hood of pepoles countrys and it infects OUR enviroment with untested tech on a genetic level!! what has been done can not be undone!!! traditional crops that have been grown for centuries have been compromised in mexico,india,africa, take your shit and your intullectual property rights and shove them up your corporate ass!!!! and leave mine alone youve already infecteted OUR crops enugh!!!!!

 

if you want more i can give you 1oooNDs of pages some frome the corperations own docs. but realy all you have to do is LOOK!!!!!

 

Hmmmm, I'm a bit confused as to why you posted all of this. I've already said that I agree with you that the terminator technology is a bad thing and that Monsanto is working simply to maximize profits, which is the function of a corporation.

What's your point?

p.s. I don't have a "corporate ass"

 

iraqs farm land was pretty mutch devestated so the interim gov. came in and one of the first things they did was make it almost illigel to save seed,HOWyou ask because texes a&m donated seed well who owns the patent to that seed?ill leave that for you to figure any seed that survives the war will quickly be crosspollinated with ahh you geussed it terminator tech! so who do they have to turn to ahh you geussd right again! wow your realy smart! now lets see if you get this one, what if the powers that be decide they dont want you to have FOOD!!!! ya thats right they dont give you seed!! very old war tactic with a new twist!!! do you know about slavesbad??????

 

sorry im typeing while your already done told you one finger, so the terminator is out its done if we let it continue were fuckd

 

and its not just directed at you there are outhers that dont understand that gmo is a minomer, the problem is more transgenetic manipulation! (for lack of a btter word) becaus that will trump it all once its out cant take it back and its already out!

 

Hmmm, I'm not sure I understand your meaning. GMO = genetically modified organism. These are, but definition, transgenetic.

 

well i think you know exactly what i ment, i said it better erlier, that last post i said transgenetic, i believe you knew, and know that i ment transpecies. that thing that is produced by humans that could or would not be possible in nature!! as oppossed to that that witch is simalar interbreeding or potentially interbreeding that share the same gene pool!!!
classification:kingdoms,class,order,family,genus,and SPECIES! stop picking you knew axactly what i meant!
and i will show you how and at what distances crosspollination can occure but not tonight time for bed!!! good night,