Meat is Burger

Discussion in 'The Whiners' started by Lying in a field, Feb 4, 2006.

  1. freakylady

    freakylady Member

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  2. You're so cool freaky lady.

    I see where vegetarians are coming from. I mostly get a lot of my ideas from my homeopath (best friend's mother), she has experimented with lots of diets on herself and her husband and children and so far she hasn't seen any justification for not eating meat. She believes one should have meat fasts to cleanse the system, but she sees it as a really valuable source of protein and amino acids.

    I know i should think for myself, but i really do trust her, she is a very kind, humane, intelligent and caring person.
     
  3. Fifty9

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    Meat fast? Could you elaborate on this for me? Not to sound insulting, but in all honesty your homeopath does not sound very knowledgeable on the subject of human nutrition.
     
  4. Liver cleansing diet or simply fasting "from meat", that is not eating meat to give the system a break.

    I was just trying to say that she believes that meat eaters should have a break from meat every once in a while, depending on the health of their liver. I didn't feel like elaborating so "meat fast" was the easiest thing to say. She doesn't even use that word.
     
  5. Fifty9

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    I see... I misunderstood the term "meat fast" to mean that one abstains from all food EXCEPT meat. You know, like a water fast but you use meat instead of water. I was wondering where the logic was in believing meat could "cleanse the system".

    I do have big objections to saying that there is no justification for not eating meat, as the overwhelming majority of scientific evidence clearly shows what the ideal diet is for human beings. Had your homeopath done any kind of research as to reviewing the numerous peer-reviewed journals on the subject, than I don't see how she could find any justification to continue eating animal foods. They add nothing nutritionally to the human diet, and are associated with many chronic health problems. Things like meat, dairy and eggs should only be consumed in moderate amounts a few times a year, if ever at all. (Such as on special occasions and holidays).
     
  6. SunshineChild

    SunshineChild Mad Scientist

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    We'd still be guilty. We'd be murdering ourselves.
     
  7. She does a lot of research, she is a naturopath as well as a homeopath. Reads copious amounts, and was raised by a traditional homeopathic family...her attitude towards meat is mostly based on experimentation and observing how her children and herself have reacted.

    Anyway, the family eat organic free range meat on a regular basis, they eat more chicken, lamb and kangaroo, as well as eggs daily, and dairy products on a minimal basis The lady is just turned 60, she looks not a day over 40, she has amazing skin, not one grey hair. Her three sons have recently finished high school, all three of them scored in the top 1% of the state, they hardly ever get sick. My best friend was close to becoming a national level rower but was rejected because he was too short, and he recently finished his university bachelor and has been accepted into a scholarship honors degree... I could go on, but you get the picture.

    I think you're wrong, very wrong. Peer review journals are often biased.
     
  8. all_rhodesian_reject

    all_rhodesian_reject Sonskyn Elvis

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    HAHAHAH

    Genius :D
     
  9. OnlyOne

    OnlyOne Banned

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    Eat vegitables, vuk kunt an whateverz.
     
  10. astrobreaux

    astrobreaux "pan"

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    it is inevitable that something has to die for us lowly humans to survive. we kill animals, we kill plants, i see no difference, because they are all tied into the web of life. disrespecting anything in the web of life is wrong, paying respect by giving thanks, and not mistreating the things we have to take whether animal or plant, and taking only what we need is the key. there are many of us that will argue the point that all things feel in some way. as to the bogus crap about lack of meat in the diet being healthier for our system, check out the link that goes into the diet of my ancestors before the "discovery" of america.

    http://www.westonaprice.org/traditional_diets/native_americans.html
     
  11. lalalamort

    lalalamort Fucked up upstairs

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    interesting link , anyone for spider?
     
  12. OnlyOne

    OnlyOne Banned

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    Uh like it duh ME$AT, well eat this.
     
  13. Fifty9

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    I'm not wrong, and to hold "family experiments" in high regard while dismissing published studies under a blanket of biasness is, well biased. While it's great that your friend's family is doing so well, however it certainly does not disprove my point. While some questionable studies are published in journals, it's usually quite easy to figure out if their scientific methods are sound or not. This is why a system of peer-review is in place, so we can't just make stuff up. Besides, biased nutritional studies are usually in favor of the meat and dairy industry, not plant foods. It's not as if the kale farmers are pooling their money together to fund biased studies.


    When you mentioned a liver cleansing diet earlier, could you explain what that involves? Is this where people try to eliminate gallstones by drinking olive oil and juice?
     
  14. lithium

    lithium frogboy

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    One big difference - plants are not capable of suffering. Only animals have sentience which means they can experience pain.
     
  15. stinkfoot

    stinkfoot truth

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    Ahhh-- true enough... that would make a lion's or tiger's deed equally immoral as they are also sentient beings. I think you should really protest their grotesque mode of killing- clearly for sport. Take your moral message directly to the dominant females of each species. Go dressed as a slow zebra. Please.
     
  16. Fifty9

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    Ah yes, Sally Fallon... The author of such classics as Eat fat, Lose fat and Nourishing Traditions, where she discusses the importance of cholesterol and saturated fat in the human diet. [​IMG]

    If you are going to cite Sally Fallon or the Preston A. Price Foundation then you may as well cite comic books too because they all have the same amount of respect and accuracy among the scientific community.
     
  17. GratefulFloyd

    GratefulFloyd Nowhere to fly to

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    I'm hungry.
     
  18. Chameleon Zen

    Chameleon Zen Member

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    I support eating in general.
     
  19. spooner

    spooner is done.

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    I never order veal except when a vegetarian is within earshot.

    But to all you vegans - it requires more farmland (and thus more rainforest deterioration) to make a gallon of soymilk than it does to make a gallon of dairy milk.
     
  20. astrobreaux

    astrobreaux "pan"

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    might want to run that one by some of the tree hugger folks, but better not, they'd probably spike you to a tree to ward off loggers. just because something doesn't scream or try to run away doesn't mean it feels no pain, doesn't mean it won't suffer. the point is that something has to die for us to survive. all things need respect regardless of our individual choices and/or beliefs or whether they are plants, animals, rocks, dirt, water, air, etc etc etc, in some beliefs every atom has life and spirit. to disrespect someone's personal opinions and attempt to force your own upon them is what has brought most of the suffering you say only applys to animals, but in reality destroys the earth as a whole. isn't the planet suffering? i know i hear her crying.
     

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