MDMA from Methylone?

if i could get ahold of zinc hcl (i havent even looked, to be honest; i havent done much at all since i got these nepal temple balls), i can try in a couple days.

 

There's no such thing as a "zinc acid" I think perhaps you may be misunderstanding. There's also no such substance as "zinc hcl"

"Zinc/acid", i.e. Zinc/HCL (meaning zinc (amalgamated or otherwise activated) and Hydrochloric acid) however is a rather common reduction system in organic chemistry.
On the other hand this type of reduction would not produce methylenedioxymethamphetamine from methylenedioxymethcathione. I'm pretty sure it'd trash the MD ring and result in some nasty tar though.

ZnCl2 (zinc chloride) on the third hand, as polymer mentioned, is used as a catalyst in hydrogenation (which also isn't going to help here), used to help promote selective borohydride reductions; and used as intermediate in some methods of producing activated zinc.

Frankly It's obvious you have little idea what you're talking about.
No offense.

 

I wasn't trying to sound knowledgable, I was stating that perhaps I could try the procedure in the near future, and insinuating that I would probably be able to if someone could give a bit of assistance in the procurement and processes. Also, I'm more than aware I don't know shit, but would still like to make use of excess methylone lying around.

 

I wasn't insulting you bro. I just don't think it can be done. I've yet to see a procedure that's reasonable.

 

send money my ass

 

lol

holy sh#t, what kind of bud is that in your sig? I'd love to run some liquid butane over that stuff.

 

Ice, Ice baby. It won the 1998 cannabis cup.

 

Man.... I really wanted this to work too =(

 

Look up the Wolf-Kishner reduction

It wont harm the methylenedioxy ring and will eliminate that ketone for you if done properly.

 

The wolf-kishner reduction is very reasonable

 

Involves playing with some really nasty chems, however.

 

Ah.. but the fact that it could be done was my point.

 

I'd be very interested in performing this, but I don't understand a lot of what is happening. I'd need to do a lot of research and whatnot before I'd attempt it.

 

Research the carcinogenic properties of hydrazine among your studies.

 

I love how often the MSDS scares people away from anything because of a select few words.

Have you ever seen carcinogen mentioned in tylenols MSDS? Its there. I know you're probably just trying to be helpful but more people need to realize that if you know what you're doing a compound like hydrazine shouldn't scare you away.

If done properly it wont be present in the final product.. Do you know how often these sorts of compounds are used when pharmaceuticals are made in labs?

 

Given the temperatures involved I'd be far more worried about fumes, and I'm not sure the guy knows what a fume hood is.

 

I do. I did have high school chemistry =P

Trust me. I'm very knowledgeable. I'm certainly not going to try to do this without researching a lot first.

 

You're going to have to venture out atleast 2 years into post secondary chemistry to fully grasp the concepts. Youd have to make it to where Ive just finished, the end of 2nd year organic/inorganic courses.

Thats if you want to know EVERYTHING though.. If you just want to follow a recipe, just be damn well sure to find a reliable procedure (ie journal article, not a fucking webpage) and memorize the fuck out of the procedure. Read the MSDS of every chemical you will handle and be fucking careful. I dont recommend this, but I have done experiments with hydrazines and I can tell you that they arent hard at all.. no special safety precautions were taken, it was just a regular day at the lab.

Good luck, you'll probably have a harder time finding the chemicals than doing the experiment.

 

Meh I figured. I do plan on taking organic chemisrty and basically as much chemistry as I can in college. It may be my major, but I'm not enitrely sure yet.

Thanks for the words of advice though =)

 

what if u at hydrogen to it then it would bind with the oxy and u would have water and mdma theoretically