mckenna, psychedelics & the apocolypse

democrats and republicans = same concept, different rhetoric

 

No id say its a messianic complex. Actually, the first thread I made here was about that http://www.hipforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=270350
I really do believe it's possible for someone to truly and fully 'get it'. But inherently, what makes you the real messiah is if you manage to explain it. That many people get the messianic energy so to say, the will of it, the intensity of experience, the revelation of insight. But only the truly gifted, the true prophet will manage to explain it in a way that others will understand. Because thats what the messiah is, the leader of it, the teacher.

And the thing is. There is absolutely nothing wrong going around thinking your nearly on par with a guru, or even some saint, or jesus. It's just that people here in America don't understand exactly what that means. The typical person wants to apply all their concepts and ideals to someone of such stature and they pick and choose 'higher beings' based on how well the fit into their preconception of reality and how well that person will enforce their ego. Which exactly why anyone who gets conception of this state, as it currently exists, will by typical people get labelled crazy. Because to allow such a person to exist as anything but gone from reality would threaten there notion of reality.

When really, someone who understands these states of mind. Everyone expects that they'll act a certain way, come to them in a white robe with a bunch of metaphors to their life. Which I think in this day and age. That just isn't what happens. Along with all the teachings of Christ, he also taught one other great lesson. You don't proclaim what you know merely for the sake of proclaiming knowledge, because then people will nail you to the cross. People who have figured out the highest levels of existence. There not going to stand out, there not going to say it, there not going to step forward. They hint it from the background and only those paying attention can notice.

Which "LSD taught me that... it's just LSD. Purity and simplicity at it's finest. Over analyzing and prophetizing it only starts dilluting it's true beauty." I can't agree enough with.
But I think most people who start prophesizing and rationalizing, in relation to LSD are doing it because they feel the need to combat the high amount of rationalizing and analyzing that has been done to demonize LSD.

 

I like this idea, messianic complex! I also realize that Im a member of this group who suffers from my poor delusions that I know God and that you all need to follow me because Im right and your all wrong. Come, my many followers, to the acid ship! The time to die is nigh!
I completley disagree actaully, and for the sake of some sad argumemts that arise on forums due to a lack of tone and expression, the above statements were sarcastic in nature. To make such a bold statement sheer, why not name some names so we can get down and nasty with this idea you so loosely throw around? Of course, without the intention of harrassment or else the thread will get shut down sooner or later.
As far as LSD being a religion, Im not quite sure if that makes any actual sense. Sure, we have a ritual, we take, or have taken and respect, LSD. Other than that? I dont see a church, an orginization, or a set of rules and blind belief. If taking LSD and loving my neighbor is a relgion, than sign me up brother.
Namaste.

 

Well this really depends on what conspiracy theorists you are talking about. Are you talking about the doomsday prophets? Or are you talking about the golden age prophets? This of course all comes down to a matter of belief becuase Im going to assume none of us here have direct consciousness of any previous life, and therefor can not prove that which happened before we were born in our current form.
But when you look at history, human evolution has moved, together, in likeminded fasion, towards either chaos or harmony. And harmony has always come out on top.
When we are basing this off the Hindu calander, they for thousands of years have called the previous cycle, which began over 1000 years ago, probably more, the birth of the electric and atomic age. How could they have known that? How could they have known that we would gather and harness the power of electricity, and then gather the finer, subtle electricities by splitting an atom, something they have discussed for thousands of years, to yeild this immense power?
The next age they describe is one in which, as they say, we will all be born God conscious and have no need for trouble with each other. More or less, this includes mental powers such as telepathy and mind travel, something many saints are said to already be capable of. There are many stories of saints who have traveled the universe and met other living beings during meditation, or astral travel, something simliar yet more uncomprehended by those who smoke DMT.
Only time will prove them right or wrong, but after this age, darkness descends and mankind goes back to the beginning when we will lose ALL that we have worked so hard to gain because of desire, and will go right back to rediscovering it, as we according to them, have done several times before.

 

I agree. Sign me up too.

I think that the stories of the Hindu and other various spiritual texts are meant to express concepts that try to put us in our cosmic place, and these ideas should not be taken literally.

Sure, it's a controversial and perhaps paradoxical viewpoint, this 'spiritual athiest' understanding, but I really think an unconditional faith and belief in any religious text is taking an easy path to happiness, which can lead to arrogance and may even do more harm than good. Were my theory widely accepted, it wouldn't bode well for a potential prophet or messiah. Luckily for the devout, religion is an opiate that soothes and motivates the masses. People will always crave the answers that don't exist, they want to be told how important they are in the grand scheme (I hesitate to use the phrase 'grand scheme' because I believe no such scheme exists, but it's an apt expedient) of things.

Your sacred texts are basically trying to tell you that billions of years upon billions more are just small pieces of a cycle and we're experiencing such a small part of that that we would really be arrogant to assume that our part is super special.

Krishna never lived, never died, but he's on my wall with Radha and has inspired two children that I'm teaching to love and live. So yes, I think if you take this too seriously, you are arrogant, nothing will happen in 2012 that's any more significant than past wars or astrological events, and like you said, we should focus on living and loving.

I'm all about the peace and love, but can't we all try to use a context besides 'God, eternity, reincarnation, dharma, karma, etc.' to discuss what needs to be done?