Mass Shooting In Charleston

Just another day in America

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/suspected-gunman-in-south-carolina-church-shooting-caught-in-shelby-charlotte-north-carolina-tv-stati/ar-AAbMfvy?ocid=ansnewsreu11

This one hits pretty close to home for me. Its a sad day here in SC.

The shooter matches the usual profile of mass shooters...white male, early twenties

 

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Not making fun, it's a tragic event. I just don't see how family and friends don't see these nutjobs gearing up for this. Or if they do, is it something they also support?

 

sad day everywhere

 

The gun he used was a gift from his uncle. You would think it would occur to someone in his family that maybe he wasn't stable enough to own a gun?

 

I really hope we get some kind of transparency about his prescription history.

It's a good bet that he was on SSRI's.

 

http://heavy.com/news/2015/06/dylann-storm-roof-charleston-church-shooter-gunman-caught-dead/

Roof’s uncle, Carson Cowles, said in an interview with Reuters that Roof’s dad gave the suspect a .45-caliber pistol for his 21st birthday in April.

 

or his dad, I was wrong

I also would be willing to bet he was on SSRIs

 

Damn.... For once, something we agree on. Not just SSRI's, SNRI's tend to be more volatile.

 

The impression I get of American gun laws is that stability never stopped any nutjob getting their hands on a gun.

 

There are disturbing people everywhere but where it comes to gun violence they sure seem to get more chances in the US (well, talking about countries where there is actually some form of regulation ).

 

I'm going to throw in a perspective here that hasn't really been brought up, and for many people, this issue is not even real.

Years ago I "dated" a man with this same last name.

During the time we were together, I found out not only that he was/is terribly prejudiced; but, upon me snooping one day (YES, I adimit that!) I found different "things", I will say, that showed:

He was like a lifelong member of the KKK and it seems this is something that is "passed" down through families.

I did not continue to see him, and yes the thoughts of that even back then made me shudder.

This young man should NOT be excused...so please, nobody get me wrong...but I think this is something - hate of blacks...he was brought up in, and any violence, planned or not, is not anything anybody in his family would be concerned about. As long as his hate was aimed toward anyone not arian (aryan?) the thoughts of anything being "wrong" with him would never be something his hate filled environment would consider.

I bet he wasn't on any kind of meds and never had been.

 

Yeah, and from my perspective its always the ones who bleat the loudest about their rights who are the most irresponsible with their guns. Take the Newtown, CT shooter as an example - his mom was an avid gun owner with a mentally unstable son living with her. And instead of being responsible and keeping her guns locked away she gave her son access to them and I cost her her life.

And then this shooter - I'm sure he grew up in this good ol boy southern culture where owning a gun is part of manhood. He was probably bullied as a kid, his family probably thought owning a gun would toughen him up and make him a real southern gentleman and they never stopped twice to consider whether he should own a gun - of course he should, its his right!

My own brother in law is a gun collector and after visiting my sister one weekend I found out after the fact he had 2 loaded guns on a gun rack within my 2 year old son's reach in an unlocked bedrooms. Loaded guns, what a fucking idiot. My son could have opened that bedroom door and reached for the gun, it would have taken 2 seconds. I have nightmares about that.

After that incident I have no sympathy for irresponsible gun owners and their "rights." I didn't want to turn this into another thread on gun control but that's just my two cents.

 

You could be right but I keep coming back to the fact that he fits the profile of a mass shooter so perfectly - young, white male, not very attractive so he was more than likely bullied his whole life. I would be very interested to learn if he was on any kind of psych meds.

Racists are everywhere but it takes a special kind of person to kill 9 people. Im glad America is having, and has been for a couple of years, an honest conversation on racism but I'm also very interested in having a conversation on what the hell is making young white men go on killing sprees.

 

It's rare you see Jon Stewart turning the comedy off completely.

Link to the Daily Show: http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/kb2h42/charleston-church-shooting

 

It will be interesting to hear from and about his father and mother and their attitudes concerning race. I'm betting his attitudes were learned at home.

 

This would have been a horrible crime and tragedy anywhere, but the location makes it even worse. The church wasn't selected at random. This is the oldest black church in the South. Nearly every important American black leader has spoken there, including Martin Luther King. The congregation goes back to a time when they had to meet in secret, because it was still illegal for black Americans to gather for any reason. The killer wanted to take away the church's heritage from its people; to make it a place that will always be remembered primarily as somewhere that a lot of people were killed. I think he succeeded.

Today's new controversy is in Columbia, where all the flags at the state capitol are at half staff except for the Confederate battle flag, standing tall, looking like a victory celebration for racism. It's time for that nasty rag to come down for good. Maybe it's time to bring back the SC tourism boycott. If somebody has a relative who was drafted into the army and died a painful death in battle, you can honor his sacrifice in ways that don't honor the miserable CSA cause. Nazi Germany and Tojo's Japan have moved on. Why can't we?

Being brought up racist isn't an exuse anymore. My husband was taught to hate black people. He got over it when he got old enough to think for himself.

Maybe the best serious monolog he ever delivered. He's absolutely right about the double standards.

Unfortunately, before we get the kind of meaningful, practical gun control that works in other countries, we're more likely to see state laws REQUIRING people to carry guns at all times, based on an Old West "kill or be killed" mentality. Without a doubt, there were peaceful, nonviolent people in that church who would rather go to prison than obey such a law. Someday, one of them might be my cellmate.

 

I came in to post this as well. I also read this other thing earlier which I'm going to try to find and post in a sec. It may shed some light on the thinking and upbringing of some people.

 

The person who wrote this is a history teacher at a private school. I don't know him. I just saw it posted somewhere else. Talk about a melt! You'd think a teacher would understand grammar.

 

Grammar aside, substitute the name Mohammad for Dylann, would that melt have been a little different? Just a little?

 

I'm sure. But I lived in the south for a few years and many people don't think like this guy but many do. They act like the Civil War just ended last week and they're only reloading for the next one. "The south will rise again!" What the hell is that supposed to mean? They're going to secede from the Union and start owning people again?