Mass Shooting 13 Dead Thousand Oaks California

Thank You Me! That Farida woman has posted 3 videos of this incident that I saw. One of them is of the white guy screaming "don't touch me at the kids, with his right had inside his jacket. The girls kept saying, "nobody here touched you!"

 

In the part that specifies which right is to be protected. The Second Amendment does not expand the preexisting right to keep and bear arms. It merely states that this preexisting right is to be protected.

U S v. CRUIKSHANK, (1875)
"The right there specified is that of 'bearing arms for a lawful purpose.' This is not a right granted by the Constitution. Neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence."
FindLaw's United States Supreme Court case and opinions.

Historically, the right to keep and bear arms has always been about the sort of arms that an individual person would wield themselves. There are lots of historical examples of individuals being required or encouraged to possess infantry weapons for militia duty -- for example the 1181 Assize of Arms. I'm not aware of any historical examples of a government requiring or encouraging groups of individuals to get together to operate their own private siege engine (and I suspect that there are no such examples).

It is also hard to see how an iron age free man could use a catapult for private self defense. It is likewise hard to see how a modern free man could use a stealth bomber for private self defense.

 

That's the fantasy of the NRA. That no one would dare take guns away for two reasons

1. Too many guns here already so how can you do it?
2. If you did there would be war and the gun owner would win so no one will anyway

Do you really think the US goverment with it's CIA and other agencies with tanks and missiles has not considered domestic terrorism? Since the fall of the USSR the people who love guns the most have tuned on their own goverment since there is no longer a foreign enemy. I mean consider when Waco and other militias got popular. It was in the 90's the few years after the fall of the Soviet Union. The outlet for that mindset must go somewhere. These people are likely to hate Democrats whom are Americans more than anyone. It would be foolish for the government to not notice this just as it's foolish to ignore a foreign enemy.

Your Ar-15 only goes so far. If all you need is an Ar to win a war companies like Lockheed Martin would not be paid millions to engineer new weapons. And if any guns were to be taken it's safe to assume this would be though a democratic voting process meaning the people do not want guns. That is mostly the case now. Many Americans want SOME form of gun control even many gun owners. It's only a small portion of them who fight tooth and nail against any regulation. So in this scenario the gun owner is the minority and the duty of the military they plan to fight is to protect America as a whole.

The person who plans to make pipe bombs to set off in govement buildings or defend city blocks in urban guerrilla fighting is a "terrorist" just like ISIS in this case. By the way 2 solutions I heard to fight gun restrictions at militia meetings I have attended in the past. My favorite topic though was the discussion of how there are already too many gun laws since they can now own a nuke. This is an example of the slippery slope of gun laws. We are already at a disadvantage compared to the government so it can go no further.

The NRA types count on the military being full of pro gun right wing people and it is. But those are grunts that are always required to fill the ranks. A tough task in modern times when 18 year olds would rather have debt and go to college without being shot. The military does not even pay for much of college compared to current tuition rates anymore (thanks hyper capitalism) once the major selling point of enlisting. Well that and getting some foreign tail on a Japanese naval base. It's not really a good deal unless you believe in it.

To have real security clearance in the military AKA the guys who order grunts around it often requires thinking beyond a red vs blue system and more into the gray areas of what "freedom" in America really is. And that leads to knowing that people have the freedom to disagree and your willingness to protect that disagreement. So if the democratic process moves to a point where we say if you want a gun enlist but the culture of "standing your ground" is not for us anymore you respect that.

As much as it might upset gun owners if the American people moved forward with gun laws there would be little they could do. The war would be shorter then the first Gulf War in the early 90's with small pockets of terrorist guerrilla attacks happening for several years after. But these attacks would not affect law if anything it would only reinforce the belief that guns are not for America. I mean look at the people who want them and what they do to us. We can not even go to work for fear of our office being attacked.

 

Can you cite the last five "office attacks" in the U.S. that has caused you to fear going to work at your office?

 

The White man with the gun who threatened Somali Muslim Children who were buying food at a McDonald's restaurant in Minnesota has been arrested. I'm not clear what all he's being charged with; but, ETHNIC INTIMIDATION should be a part of it. Allah the merciful works in mysterious ways. Praise Allah the compassionate. Allah says we should take guns away from white supremacists, because they really are not all that supreme.

 

I remember when a white man went to some office and used baling wire to tie a shot gun to another man's head and neck and marched him through the streets of Indianapolis. I remember when a day trader went to some investment firm office and killed a bunch of his co-workers. I remember when a major in the army went to work and shot about 13 people, maybe more. I think that was at Fort Bliss or Fort Hood. There have been dozens of cases where postal workers have done work-place violence, with a gun. It really is time to repeal the Second Amendment and put this thing behind us. It will not be long before we have a Somali Muslim Black Woman for our president anyway. She'll sign any new legislation to take away the guns, one at a time. I love Muslim Presidents, especially Black ones.

 

It seems like the "only" solution is to start removing American people's rights. Right? Well then, see you in the bread lines folks!

 

By the way, after all of the combustion-based firearms have been removed at long last, what will be done with the new array of weapons in current development. Lasers are a real thing after all. Thankfully rail gun technology has a very long way to go before it becomes portable enough to carry around.

I still think maniac control is a better bet than gun control.

 

Most of us are already standing in the soup lines and homeless shelter lines thanks to the Republican economic BS.

 

Maniac control is Republican control. We need to repeal the Second Amendment through a Constitutional Convention, round up the guns, then we can control all them neo-Nazi white privilege boys.

 

"We"? You mean the state?

Canada is often praised for its gun laws. But you walk into basically any high school and there are folks all over who know where to get assault rifles on the black market.

The saying "gun control only takes guns away from those who follow the law" isn't a lie. The white male privilege violence prevalent in america (and all over the world) is a societal issue, not a gun issue.

 

Do you think that removing guns from the equation does some good though? I feel like society would, to some extent, respond in support of such efforts. Perhaps I am hoping for something that is unrealistic.

I guess I just wish that a move like significantly restricting guns would send a message that we're not messing around with them anymore. I wish for it to set the tone for future generations that guns are a thing of the past. From what you're saying though I gather that may not be possible or at least not popular.

What would you suggest for across-the-board policy on guns, @GuerrillaLorax?

 

Well, there may be some limited truth in what you say; however, in Michigan the White Republican governor took office in January 2017, just like Trumpy Dumpy. Immediately, he placed 3000 neo-Nazis in police cars, and sheriff cruisers. These neo-Nazis are not certified peace officers but do have concealed gun permits. Some are meth heads and alcoholics. Some are even members of the KKK, as the thugs in Branch County and Calhoun County. Michigan has lots of Klaverns, which are KKK local branch offices. One guy who was riding along with the Sheriff deputies even had his own white supremacist blog. We--the voters--need to address this problem in America. In Indiana the Indiana Patriot Guard are a similar organization which has concealed carry gun permits, and their own license plates for the big diesel pickups. They ride around and yell at colored people and wave guns in the air to threaten and scare people. In Colorado, Wyoming, Nebraska you have the Sheriff Posse. In Colorado there are news records which clearly show the Republican governor giving speeches at KKK rallies in Greeley and Denver, not too long ago. It's no secret that the Republican Party has supported gun ownership. and the NRA has supported the Republicans. The Mueller investigation has exposed how the NRA was supported by Russian money and Russian agents who made their way into the Trump administration, and its inaugural celebration.

 

Just a few weeks ago a white police officer claimed she thought she had entered her own apartment when in fact she had erroneously entered the apartment of a Black man. She killed him for being in his own apartment. Now in the news we have a police officer who has killed the wrong man and has been placed on paid leave. Not long ago there was a Black child shot in less than two seconds after the police officer stopped the cruiser. In another case, a cop was found innocent for killing a man who had informed him that he held a concealed gun permit. In Missouri there have been several Black men killed by white cops under strange circumstances. In Michigan we have neo-Nazis riding along with Sheriff deputies for the explicit reason of racial control of Blacks, Mexicans, and Muslims. Our new Democrat Congress needs to pass laws to eradicate the infiltration of police agencies by neo-Nazis.

 

Do you mean 2011? More importantly, do you have a credible cite for these 3000 neonazis in police cars? It is strange that I've never heard anything about it happening.

Support for civil rights is a good thing.

 

Doesn't she face some sort of manslaughter charges for this?

Isn't that standard when a shooting is being investigated?

Are you talking about the case where a black kid was holding a realistic-looking replica of a gun?

Are you talking about the case where a guy ignored repeated commands to stop reaching and keep his hands visible, and kept on reaching for an unknown object anyway?

 

I realize this will be met with disdain and lots of name calling, but the very term "white male privilege" is disgustingly racist. It's clearly designed to foment hate toward a particular group based on color alone.

But by all means, please explain how it's the opposite of that. Please explain how it's a term of endearment and inclusiveness.

I am offended by it just as much as when I hear people lament "the white man" so freely when discussing native American issues. Same deal, it's racist pure and simple.

 

I don't know about that. I'm a white male and there is definitely privilege. It's not a racist thing to admit this.
Seems like you one of those people who think white people do not have an advantage. All I can say is a fish does not know it swims

 

None now but in the event of some sort of gun confiscation it would be likely. I mean the "good guy" gun owner has it's limits right? Part of being the good guy is being willing to be the bad guy to protect freedom. They would rather bomb my office than give up their Ar-15. And if I don't agree I am part of the problem and not for freedom. It's OK to attack me and other Americans in this case.

 

There has been another mass shooting in New York. The shooter seems to have been the head of a police department in Texas. He's under arrest in New York. The information is not clear or complete at this time. But, I did see the guy's picture and he is white, and must have been very privileged if indeed he was a chief of a police force.