Mass Shooting 13 Dead Thousand Oaks California

He probably just means the States. Not sure how is assertion is spot on then, but I noticed lots of Americans talk about 'the world' when in reality they're talking about the situation in their own country.

 

Yeah, that'll work. Fortunately, in the spirit of goodwill, home invaders will almost always oblige the home owner when it comes to allowing a timeout for making a phone call to the cops. And it's also fortunate that, in the spirit of cooperation, the home invader will stick around 'til the cops get there. Don't ya just love a perfect world?

 

I want a perfectly lovely world!

 

Let me repeat this again:

Every single firearm can be broken down for maintenance. Especially long guns

There are times when killing human beings is necessary like war or self defense.

Lol, because a police whistle will deter anybody.

 

Exactly. Rights can only be restricted if there is a good reason to justify the restriction.

Civil rights violations are never acceptable.

When it comes to restrictions on rights, the burden of proof is on those who want to restrict a right to show that their restriction is justified.

 

I think I am presenting facts and defending civil rights.

I'm more of a grassroots activist than an official lobbyist. I imagine an official lobbyist would be presenting their arguments to Congressmen instead of posting on messageboards.

What is wrong with fanaticism so long as the cause is just? I'll take that label and wear it with pride.

What is ridiculous about defending civil rights?

 

My turn:

"Whoa, slow down there, Megan. Why the hell you out of breath?"

"I just came from the other side of the woods, and he's found our trail. We've gotta move."

"Are you sure it's him?"

"Yeah, I was close enough to see his face with the binoculars. It's him alright. And he has a rifle."

"Yeah well, so do we."

"Yeah, but . . ."

"But . . . what?"

"But his rifle has a--it has a goddam pistol grip."

The mountain man spit the coffee in his mouth out onto the ground, and without wiping his chin, turned his head toward Megan and they locked stares. "Fuck!" he said, the word echoing off the distant canyon. "Are you absolutely certain it had a pistol grip?"

"I'm telling you I saw it. It was as clear as the pimple on your forehead."

"Wow! That was totally uncalled for . . . and very hurtful."

"You're right. I'm sorry. That was just the stress talking. Hell, the truth is, it doesn't look even half as big as it did yesterday."

"Thanks. I've been drinking lots of water and I think that's what's making the difference. Anyway, what the hell we gonna do?"

"We could just run like hell."

"Nope. I heard tell that anyone carrying a rifle with a pistol grip can run faster and jump higher than people without one."

"I thought that was only true about PF Flyers."

"It was, until some son of a bitch invented the pistol grip."

After a half minute of silence, Megan said, "Okay, first thing we do is not panic."

"Not panic?" the mountain man said, not believing what he had just heard. "Did you not just say that his rifle has a pistol grip?"

"Yeah I did, but just hear me out. I'm sure that if I can get close enough to his camp, I can get a shot at his rifle and take out its pistol grip. Then the odds would be even."

"Say, that's not a bad idea. Okay then, why don't you--hey, wait a minute. If you can get close enough to take out the rifle's pistol grip, why don't you just put a bullet in the guy's head?"

"Hmmm. Ya know, that sounds crazy enough that it might just work."

"I know, right? I mean, that rifle of his sure ain't gonna get up and shoot at us all by itself. Right?"

"I wouldn't think so. But then again, it does have a pistol grip, and that being the case, there's just no tellin'."

"Alright then, shoot him in the head, and if that rifle of his gives us any trouble after that, well, we'll cross that bridge when we get to it."

"Hey! I got a better idea. I'll put a bullet in his head, AND take out that rifle's pistol grip."

"Goddam, Megan, you're a genius."

"Well I certainly do have my moments."

 

Nothing's changed? You must have missed this:

No no no. You are the one obsessed with the pistol grip and folding stock. Therefore it is incumbent upon you to justify that obsession. If you have nothing to offer in that regard, I'm afraid that that's on you, and not me.

And your apparent reference to a guy using 20 or so semiautomatic weapons with bump-stocks does nothing to validate your paranoia concerning pistol grips and folding stocks. Neither does it do anything for your position concerning muzzle-rise during rapid fire. And to further point out your obsession with pistol grips, let's hear your estimation of just how much you think the muzzle rises on a rifle that has (in your own words) "little recoil." And then you can explain why you believe that amount of muzzle rise would impair a shooter inside a theater or church or school.

And I really have no idea why you believe that a shooter with a semiautomatic rifle cannot pause between shots. You need to explain that, as it makes no sense.

And why are you asking about the legal definition of an assault weapon when you yourself have said that it varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction?

 

Locan police and ATFE agents raided and rounded up 40 Neo-Nazis and White Supremacists in Florida. They found pipe bombs, guns with pistol grips which had the look of assault weapons. One in the foreground of the photo which I saw looked like a fully automatic sub-machine gun, maybe a British Sten , or its Russian counterpart. Two groups were mentioned by name, one was The Aryan Brotherhood. I forget the other name. I looked for MAGA Hats but with no luck. Maybe one of you could review the phots and we could then ascertain their connection to Trumpy Dumpy?

 

muzzle rise is why people miss when shooting themselves in the head or under the chin...was on a television special just last night

 

Yes, you pointed out that assault weapons are defined by law differently in certain jurisdictions, which made your question to me concerning the legal definition of an assault weapon rather pointless.

And again you are claiming that I am the one obsessing on pistol grips and folding stocks when you are clearly the one who believes that they increase the deadliness of a semiautomatic rifle in a mass shooting scenario, and should therefore be banned. You've been asked to prove that claim, but have so far come up with nothing but an appeal to whatever legal voice that happens to share your irrational fear of pistol grips, and then telling me to take it up with them. But I'm taking it up with you. You're being asked to do your own thinking on this.

You've also claimed that I've said that a rifle has no muzzle-rise when being fired. I'll let your failure to refer me to where I said such a thing stand as a monument to what an obsession can cause you to see which isn't really there.

I would also suggest that you watch your video. You are furthering the case of obsession against you, and you don't even know it. You apparently believe that the difference in the amount of muzzle-rise between a rifle with a muzzle-rise eliminator and a rifle without a muzzle-rise eliminator will make a big difference in a mass shooting scenario, and will justify a ban on pistol grips. Unfortunately, your video shows that the amount of muzzle-rise without a muzzle-rise eliminator is negligible. And even so, we're talking about the godawful pistol grip, not muzzle-rise eliminators.

And yes, a pause between shots is not rapid-fire mode. So what? You seem to be making the point that all mass shooters always fire their guns in rapid-fire mode (fast as one can pull the trigger). You should probably back up that belief of yours with . . . something; not that that will prove that the amount of muzzle-rise without a pistol grip will make the difference between life and death.

 

here is the story...its brutal...fair warning

Face transplant recipient thanks his donor's mother in tear-jerking moment

 

Really? Shotguns have a great deal of recoil. Wonder how someone can still hit a deer at like seventy-five yards with one, and yet miss their own head at pointblank range because of muzzle-rise. Do tell.

 

in the story I posted buddy didn't miss....he just missed his brain...and the reason they say is because people forget to abut the recoil or ''muzzle rise''...I this story buddy disintegrated his face right off the front of his skull.....I a no expert...but I do know the load at 1 inch is a small area whereas the load at 25 yards is a big area...that's why you dont miss with a shotgun....so I hear

on 20-20 again tonight

 

Really? What is the spread pattern for buckshot at 50 yards? Also, what about those who use slugs when hunting deer?

 

At 50 yeards, you'll just piss your target off.

 

Are you saying that no one can kill a deer at 50 yards with buckshot or a slug?