Marine videotaped executing unarmed, wounded prisoner in Fallujah

I would have shot him, but it would have been like 20-30 times and really messy. (im the 240 Gunner for my squad.)

People don't seem to understand the measures the iraqis go through to kill US. Grenades hidden in odd parts of the body, I dont wanna go in to that, but it has happend. In a situation when you are clearing buildings, sometimes you don't have a chance to do a search. All that is going through your mind is getting the job done so you can go home safe to your family. Say they left the guy alone, you turn your back to him, next thing you know you are getting your neck slit.

Theres alot of extenuating circumstances that surrounds the marines actions.

Personally I think that the journalist was a jackass for releasing the video while we are in the height of the battle in iraq. That makes it more dangerous to our soldiers over there, and im sure he released it just so he can get a pulitzer.

 

"There are an estimated 10-40,000 insurgents (US figures) fighting for their country and their people.

Are you suggesting that absloutely every single one of them is part of a terrorist fringe?"

no reason why not, jihadis have a very wide support and in that estimate we dont see how many are fighters from other countrys.

 

He wasn't pretending to be dead, he was dying! He was a wounded prisoner, in an american occupied mosque. Unarmed.

 

Just FYI.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1116-23.htm

Few Foreigners Among Insurgents

"Judging from fighters captured in Fallouja, all but about 5% are Iraqi, U.S. officials say."

 

Ya know whats funny, John Kerry got a silver star in Vietman for doing the same thing, Killing a wounded viet-cong. Why was he a hero and this poor marine is being run up the flagpole.

 

There is a difference between Kerry shooting an armed wounded vietcong in battle and someone shooting an unarmed wounded iraqi who is lying on the ground motionless. The Vietcong was probably running for cover so he could continue to attack from a safer position. He had not surrendered or thrown down his weapon. There is no comparison.


In the Iraq situation, I think there are a lot of circumstances that need to be considered but ultimately he did shoot an unarmed, wounded Iraqi in a mosque. He certainly didn't act as if he thought he was in immediate danger. The logic is that "some insurgents" pretend to be dead or surrender, I'm sure its true, but some insurgents also pretend to be ordinary civilians walking down the street. Who can you NOT shoot on a whim if that's the standard being applied?

Also, the idea that the media has a responsibility to cover up for these sorts of things is completely insane.

 

The good thing is that it was allowed to be aired...the thing that scared me was what the actual soldiers said..even if the actions were in response to a deemed threat ... their attitude stinks , possibly just because of the stereotypical stiff upper lip of us brits i would imagine ..it just seemed like they were playing video games or something ...i hope and suspect they are very dedicated young men doing a good job under great personal risk and are in no way trigger happy. The soldier is being investigated wich is the right thing to do.

We all have our own personal prejudices as to what went on ...but we were not in the soldiers head nor were we even there..

So i am personaly going to have to leave it up to whoever deals with such things to come to a conclusion as to any wrongs.

IMHO i think he acted correctly

 

No, I'd say about 51% of the American population agrees with you.

Incidently, the phrase "thou art am" is complete nonesense.

 

People like you make me laugh. Here these guys are fighting with knives, machine guns, RPCs and grenades--meanwhile, the Americans are going in there with tanks, armored vehicles, jets, precision guided weapons, etc. And you're complaining about what lengths the Iraqis are going to to kill Americans? What lengths would you go to to kill someone whose invaded your country and had superior technology and weapons? Besides, all of the tactics that the insurgents are employing have been used by Americans in past wars.

He's doing EXACTLY what he should be doing. Anyone with a brain knows what's really going on in Iraq, but the U.S. military keeps preaching about how they're trying to minimize civilian casualties, how they fight fair and all that bull shit. The sad thing is a lot of Americans are downright STUPID and they believe all the bull shit they're told, and they believe their boys to be "saints". What this journalist did was expose the TRUTH, that American soldiers are just as capable of being inhuman, murdering bastards, just like the Waffen SS.

 

I don't think that it can bet determined how many are foreign, but I do think many of them are Iraqis.

 

Have you seen the video?

 

That is such a load of crap I don't even know where to begin. US Servicemen are not trained to kill innocent civilians unless their lives are in danger. If my dad, who was in the military and opposed to Iraq, heard someone like yout say somthing that utterly absurd around him he'd probably punch you in the face and knock you out, becasue you have no clue what you are talking about. It's not only a lie but it's insulting.

 

THANK YOU Jozak!

 

Wow, I actually agree with iiaajmn on this subject.

 

The "bull shit proof" ive been told comes from instructors that have been in iraq, and know what the insurgents are capable of. All you know is what you get from sitting on your ass, and watching the sad thing you people call news. News that they pick and choose what to air. Sure we have superiour weaponry, but its their damn fault that we are using it on them. If some guy that was half my size walked up to me and tried to pick a fight, I would beat the fuck out of him, so he would learn not to mess with people bigger than himself. I know someone is going to take me out of context here, but I dont really care.

And dont tell me that BLOGS are a reputable source of news. Innocent civilians were spared as much as possible, people were alerted to flee the city, because all hell was about to break loose. Whoever stayed in faluja had a death wish in the 1st place. Its sad that you people call them freedom fighters. Do you know what the insurgents want for the iraqi people? Nothing in their best interests im sure. Considering that they have no respect for the lives of their own people. We fucked up by entering this war, (I know this im against this war.) But were there, and our soldiers just want to do their job so they can get home safely to their families.

 

Look at what you just said there man. You sound like a man justifying how he beats his wife.... America invaded Iraq! You threw the first punch!

 

Of course we did dumbass, I know this. But the insurgents keep taunting us. Killing innocent people. Car bombing us. Did you see the latest execution? A woman who worked her heart out for them for 30 years. Gave the iraqi people clean water and schools, shot dead.

I think thats grounds for fucking their shit up.

 

But none of this would have happend in the first place! And it would stop if you left.

 

No shit shirlock, but were there now, why cant you see that. Were there now, and if they are going to fight while we are there, then we are going to fight back.

We could have left a long time ago if it wasn't for the insurgents, if you want to play that card.

 

oh no, we should go ahead and leave the shithole mess we made. Since so many people think these insurgents are such wonderful people, I'm sure they'll take over and run the country right into the grou--oooh, I mean, create a utopia....oopsie.