Manchester Arena Explosion

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  1. The Walking Dickhead

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    9/11 was a game changer.

    As it was written in the PNAC document a few years before 9/11, by Philip Zelikow who went on to head the 9/11 Commission.

     
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    Seems Johnson has been saying the same. Did you see/hear about the debacle with Michael Fallon and Krishnan Guru-Murthy? Murthy quoted someone saying:

    “Isn’t it possible that things like the Iraq war did not create the problem of murderous Islamic fundamentalists, though the war has unquestionably sharpened the resentments felt by such people in this country and given them a new pretext?”

    Fallon assumed it was Corbyn who made the remarks, but it was actually Boris. Nice to see the tory squirm when he got it wrong, and shows the hypocrisy.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/27/fallon-left-red-faced-after-condemning-boris-johnson-extremism-comments

    For the benefit of non Brits - Krishnan Guru-Murthy is a news presenter on Channel 4, and a very tough interviewer.
     
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    Then there's the former head of MI5

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    According to some we're pricks for agreeing with her.
     
  6. The Walking Dickhead

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    Cognitive dissonance I reckon. It seems obvious to me that if you go around invading and attacking other countries as though the UK and America seem to think it's their fundamental right to "intervene"... then sooner or later some of the people from those countries are going to prepare some kind of retaliation.

    We allowed the arena bomber to go and fight in Libya to help topple the evil Gaddafi regime, then let him back in the country.
     
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    I know some are angry (I can understand the anger) and looking for an easy solution - which presumably would mean a crack down on all Muslims in the UK. Just what IS want. They could then point to how the infidel oppresses their people in Britain and get the crowds out on the streets in the middle east calling for jihad. Polarization is one of their goals.

    We helped make Libya into the disaster area it now is. It's hard to see how the tories can now say they're the party who will keep us safe from terrorists. They've tried to play both sides - jihadists are OK evidently if they fight against Gadaffi or Assad.
     
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    I saw the police patrolling a major train station the other day, carrying machine guns.

    I was also late for my train and carrying a packed green army rucksack and so I ran past them to catch the train. Then looked back as I stood on the elevator to see two cops carrying guns.

    They could have shot me thinking I was a suicide bomber. The police have been known to make mistakes in the wake of terrorist events, like the the Jean Charles de Menezes incident. One momentary panic/lapse of judgment and next thing I'm on the ground with two cops pointing a gun at my head.

    I don't know if I can safely use this bag now either. I bought it because I liked the design and it was huge, an army copy. A couple of times though since this has happened I've walked past darker skinned people in the street, I don't want to make assumptions because they could be sikh or hindu too. I don't know whether I imagined it or not but if felt like they were giving me "the daggers". In case anyone doesn't know that's an expression in the UK to mean staring, scornfully at someone. I can't remember if I've ever heard it anywhere else.

    So now I have this green backpack and I might have to buy a waterproof cover for it now for when I'm walking through cities.
     
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    Living near to MIA (Manchester International Airport) Armed Police have been part of the scenery for quite a period of time.
    Following the events of 1996 their presence - and indeed acceptance on the streets has been both understood - and appreciated

    Meanwhile in Manchester - we "Keep on Running"

    = Manchester Great Run 2017

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-40076241
     
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    I went through Manchester Airport many times, or met people between 1996 and 1998, and I don't remember ever seeing armed police there at that time. Also Gatwick and Heathrow between 1999 and 2002, no armed police. Not even after 9/11. At least I didn't see any.
     
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    Just because you don't see ..... (trust me)
     
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    Well I was at Manc Airport about 30 times over the course of 2 years after the 1996 bomb, so that's quite a lot of times to not notice armed police. But if you say so. Not seeing something isn't proof that it isn't there.
     
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    ** Post from a serving Manchester Officer just released on Social Media:-
    "This time last week I heard a transmission over our radio asking for all available patrols to make the Manchester arena.
    It's been a week of tears, coming together, sadness and team working.
    In 24 1/2 years never seen not just a community, but how northerners have come together from all faiths and communities.- along with the families of emergency services and volunteers who have worked so many shifts to provide reassurance and security.
    Can't believe that a week has passed since it happened."
    = Well said that Officer!
    - Manchester, and the North, will Remember!
     
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    I'm taking shelter in a pub from the rain before I walk home. The sun is out again though but I'm still here. It's a family pub, or Witherspoons if you live in Britain. There seems to be a plethora of cute little girls everywhere and I'm looking at them and thinking about what has happened. This happened to me the other day, and I felt slightly nauseous like in Clockwork Orange. I can't look at children now without thinking about this and the kind of world they are growing up into.
     
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    Children will never cease to amaze - both in Confidence and Creativity - it is the duty of their elders to be the best Educators -and the Right of the youth - upon due consideration - to make better choices, socially, morally, ecologically, etc...
    "Teach, your Children" 'well' indeed
     
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    I think about it too. I wouldn't want to be a kid nowadays. I feel that my generation had it pretty good by comparison. I think of my 7 year old great nephew, and I wonder what things will be like when he's my age. What kind of world are they going to inherit? I wish I knew the answer. But somewhere in me is a sense of foreboding.
     
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  20. The Walking Dickhead

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    We thought things were bad in Thatcher's but they were only snatching kids from poor homes in those days to disappear and make snuff movies with. So it is alleged by some.

    I don't think the world will ever stop being evil, not in my life anyway.
     
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