Which makes gender irrelevant where sexuality is concerned, doesn't it? Sure, I'd include those folks... if they were bisexual, too, or they had some great tips on how to make out with someone. True enough, some species do change their gender due to those factors... humans aren't included in this except to have an "undeniable" belief that they were born into the wrong body (and I have no idea how that's even possible) or they've rejected the traditional gender roles , which, I guess, I don't blame them since all that crap about what it means to be a man - the gender role - is some outdated pie-in-the-sky bullshit because every guy who is a guy has to figure out how to be a guy - and we don't always get it right. And, by the way, humans are a part of the natural world except we do tend to think and act like we aren't. So, do pansexuals make out? Is making out mandated like if you don't make out, you're doing it wrong? Would you agree that making out depends on how you want to have sex with a guy and, being a bottom and in the bottom role to express that part of your feminine side and that this is your singular preference albeit one that a lot of guys share - but not all of us do - but that doesn't make us wrong - it just make you unhappy with guys who don't want to make out and who wants to get right to the sex? And that gender really doesn't have anything to do with making out? This, again, has been a fun discussion because I've been trying to figure out for years what gender has to do with sexuality - and why damned near every bisexual I know has started saying that gender is the main ingredient in the definition of bisexuality and that just doesn't make any sense, not if you understand that the definition of gender is the act of being male or female... or, maybe these days, the act of being whatever you say you are.
Responses to the two points you raised above: 1) Are you aware that some humans, like other animal species, are born with both male and female genitals, and that others develop into adulthood with incomplete or ambiguous genitals? With this degree of developmental variation in something that is visible like genitals, why would it be surprising that some people also have non-visible variations in hormones and in how they feel inside? I'm glad that you are engaged in this discussion and that you might consider why most trans people go through all the hassle of making their transition. I know several trans women, and they have educated me. I listen and learn, just like you. 2) No, pansexual people are not mandated to make out any more than anyone else. My point was that men like me who have both masculine and feminine characteristics are more likely to feel comfortable being affectionate with people who also embrace a range of gender expression.
I am aware. No, I do not find it surprising. Are guys like you more likely to be comfortable? I wouldn't doubt it; I just questioned your position on pansexuals and the relevancy to the topic of making out since it's not something that any sexuality can claim as being theirs. And my position that anyone can make out if they want to; just because you like to make out doesn't mean that other guys will want to - but I asked if it makes them wrong if they don't want to make out with you because, if so, it tells me something - confirms something - that I've been seeing over the last decade or so. I know three transgenders and how their journey began to who they are today. Brave folks. Two of them are bisexual; the other is heterosexual and I understand what they went through, what it cost them and the troubles they face living in a world that, today, is really hating on transgender. The LGBTQ+ community needs to support these brave souls and do a better job than what they've been doing and I would never say that they have not earned a seat at the table... but if we're talking about making out, no sexuality owns it; no gender assignment owns it; it is, at best, a personal preference for those who love to make out - but also in a world where there are men who will give you damned good sex and will not want to make out with you; or there's no time for a proper make out session or the location is all wrong and a few other things I can't think of and for when I don't want to make out or I can't. For those who want - or need - to make out, is not making out a deal breaker? Inquiring minds want to know.
I think the main reason why I am pansexual is that I recognized my own gender fluidity. That's also the reason why trans people have confided in me, and why most of my closest friends have been women. Sometimes when I'm walking down a city street, I've glanced up at a store window, and the refection of me walking looks feminine. Sometimes it looks masculine. And that's how I feel inside, also. My femininity includes the need to experience affection, just as my female friends express affection with me and with each other. Most guys are not so affectionate. However, the guys I like the most also enjoy this affection. Several of my male friends are great huggers, just as good as the hugs I've had with female and gender fluid lovers. My masculine aspect is more focused on problem solving and being practical and useful. I love both of my gender aspects, and would not feel whole without both of them. I'm not sure where you got the idea that pansexual people like me are requiring other males to feel the same about making out and being affectionate. When I was younger, I had many blow-and-go experiences, but as I got older, my needs changed and I noticed my orgasms were much more satisfying and profound with passion and affection involved. I explain that as being a result of my feminine aspect. I no longer seek out blow-and-go encounters, but you are free to do whatever you want!
I don't think I would but I want to experiment sexually with other guys so I don't know if I would be passionate or just trying stuff to fulfill a fantasy and have new experiences
For me, I'm not overly looking to be intimate with a guy (hugging and kissing especially) That's me. I don't or will ever judge anyone who engages in that. It's all about that connection. Now, I've read stories and seen in videos how passionate the kissing is and have heard how intense the orgasms are while doing it. This has me intrigued to even try it myself because what it boils down to is your own comfortability with it. If it feels good, go for it. If the other person is good with it, great. Both will have an awesome experience and even better orgasm. That's what I'm looking for. Mutual comfortability with each other with no judgements. Just a great time.
I started out like a lot of bi curious men..It was all about cock fantasies and only cock for me..It was all about Oral/Frot and I was out of there..But over time, getting comfortable along with porn habits evolving I became curious about more..Even today out of my encounters I've only kissed 4 men..3 were underwhelming and I didn't enjoy it that much..But that one other time (my 1st with a regular experimental friend) it was ELECTRIC! I wasn't ready for how amazing it was! I couldn't believe I was doing it! We were in the peak of an intense frot session both standing facing one another, we were rock hard, both being hung we looked down in admiration, and we were feeling it! It just happened, he went for it, and to my surprise, instead of pulling away, I leaned towards it, I was locked in an INTENSE man on man kiss and neither one of us were stopping! I was trying to process what was happening, yet completely losing myself in the moment..It felt SO HOT! We ended up losing touch as we were both coming to terms with our bisexual side and processing things..But I've never had an experience like that since..I still enjoy kissing women more but if you told me I could recreate that moment with Nick I'd do it in a second..So I think it's a journey for a lot of us..I knew in my late 20s that I would eventually suck a cock one day because I was so curious about it watching gay/bi porn..But never even had a thought about kissing a man..It never appealed to me, even now it has to be a certain guy in order to happen..As I evolve on this journey, the other night I watched a scene with 2 muscle men in the shower together and all I could think about was fantasizing about being in between the both of them as the center of their attention..Soaping, groping, and yes Kissing! This journey is not black and white for everyone, but the world of hot male intimacy is something I wasn't ready for, but something I'm so glad I experienced and want to again sometime..Man on man can be empowering and an euphoric adrenaline rush like you've never felt before!
Kissing with the right woman or the right guy or the right pangender person is indeed thrilling. I have experienced all of those scenarios. I have also kissed in situations that were not earth-shaking, but were OK anyway. Not every experience is transcendental, but you've got to be wiiling to try stuff if you want to hit the jackpot every now and then.
I was the same way when I started fantasizing and then playing with men. Thought I could never kiss and make out but over the years things progressed and more exploring. Eventually after a few times with the same guy we started exploring more. We found the kissing and making out was a huge turn on. If the mood is right kissing and making out is a good thing
My oldest guy friend has very big hands and uses them in frotting sessions. He knows when we are both getting to that point of no return, and a deep kiss is what signals us both to cum at the same time. That passionate kiss then slowly settles into a tender kiss as we gradually descend back to Planet Earth. I love his ability to be such a maestro love-maker.
I do like foreplay. Slowly removing each other's clothes. or removing them slowly ourselves. It was a deep turn-on to have one of my lovers stand behind me in front of a full-length mirror. I was already down to my underwear. he kissed my back and shoulders putting his hands around my stomach, then I turned toward him. We stood kissing passionately for several minutes, hands all over each other with his cupping my ass. He turned me back facing the mirror, sliding his hands down my hips and pulling my underwear down. I was sooo hard, and it was the kissing that did it...
Same here. Fantasizing about the whole encounter being more "intimate" did not come until later. Now I want that intimacy more often than not, and it's integral to my fantasies.
I ran into one of my male friends at a far-flung corner of Target last weekend. It was such a surprise, and we instinctively kissed each other right there in the store. He lives in the city, and I live in the boondocks, so we rarely see each other. The funny thing is we were both in Target after being sent on Mothers' Day shopping missions by our female partners. I've been thinking ever since about how fortunate I am to have close male friends.
