Making out but no sex?

I wouldn't use previous times as any kind of bar or gauge cos women's sexuality back then was largely neglected, I would say the modern times are balancing things out as they should be.
Your last comment says that woman's man is not satisfying her, this indicates that maybe we still need a ways to go for men and women to be levelled sexually. Not saying it's entirely his fault, maybe she's not being true to her own needs, ie. not exploring or communicating her needs -- this is a legacy of the past where women were more mute and submissive about it.

 

I too count anything that leads to O as sex.

Girls are not as forward go getters as guys, it’s much harder for 2 lesbians to meet than it is for 2 gay men, but the men do face a higher risk of being bashed.

BTW most of the woman’s satisfaction comes from the O too, however we need the making out sessions to get there.
Perhaps women do enjoy the making out phase more than men. But like I said, women need the courting, flirting, teasing, making out, 4play to get to the O whereas men do not. To deny women these things and proceed to the man’s O while neglecting the woman’s O I would say is worse than blue balls, she ends up feeling more used than the guy in Romanov’s situation. Maybe the following quote is evidence of that.

Something many inexperienced girls go thru is making out with a guy who requests a HJ, BJ gets what he wants but neglects to reciprocate or give a token effort to her pleasure. She ends up feeling used and what she takes from the experience is to go more slowly next time. Then guys like Romanov find themselves in this situation.

 

well i wish it would have been stated earlier that sex=orgasm and handjobs/blowjobs/eating out/and fingering are all considered sex

 

women do actually want orgasm too... it just can take a while to get the build-up to one, which usually needs to include a lot of stuff to turn her on

in porn probably... in mainstream media, i don't think so.... buy then i think more women watch sitcoms and more guys watch porn... in general. i also agree with liguana's points about men being more forward and getting more 'action' in homosexual settings

again.. most women really do want orgasms... it just sometimes takes longer for them to get turned on

so men hate the "persual relationship" and get nothing out of it?... if men only want sex, they can go to a club and pick up a drunk girl... just like girls can go to the club and pick up a drunk guy. but did you realize it's a lot harder to have safe sex as a girl? we get stds more easily, we have to convince the guy to wear a condom and hope he stops if it breaks, we basically are in charge of birth control. if a guy is concerned about safe sex and pregnancy, he just has to wear a condom... not to mention guys are generally much stronger physically... it can be intimidating and scary to take home strange guys to have sex with, whereas i can see taking home a strange woman wouldn't be so bad.

couldn't this be related to what every guy has been saying in this thread, though? that guys don't get anything from foreplay... so what can the woman even DO to ensure the guy gets hard? we're already expected to dress up, and usually do. i mean, if sex is on a guys' mind most of the time and they get aroused at the drop of a hat...

i don't think the word cougar is a compliment... and how many stories do you hear about married men taking mistresses, etc vs married women of the same age taking lovers?



how many men like to go to strip clubs... the ultimate tease... you guys can't tell me you don't like a good tease so that you can masturbate to it later. why is it so bad for a woman you LIKE to get naked with you and not even charge you....? i still don't see what was so horrible about what she did.

 

neither of you have been with the right people.

 

that or we're fags...

 

eh, if you had a point (or the point that I saw)
maybe you are right, maybe I am judging quite unfairly and bias

but for me, I've always found quite a bit of pleasure in every aspect of physical relations with my girl

 

oh i was being kinda bitchy... going by what danger was saying, the guys get called fags if they don't get aroused, the girls are told it's the guy's fault... you're assuming it's the guy's fault.. or a lack of chemistry or something. it's really good that you feel like that with your girl. i also find a lot of pleasure from everything physical (sometimes a lot of pressure too...), but it doesn't mean i'm ready for orgasm all the time

 

I have been with both the right people and the wrong people, at separate times that is. My best lover loved 4play, just like you.

Unfortunately guys like this don’t come frequently. So if courting and 4play has to be rushed then tis alright w/ me these days cos I just think of stuff that really gets me aroused, it's actually kinda warped but it gets me to the climax quickly and intensely and that's great by me and for the guys, then every1's happy . All is swell.

In the instances where most of the guys satisfaction comes from 4play then so does mine.
But in the instances where most of the guys satisfaction comes from the O then so does mine.

 

ah, I didn't read his whole post, twas way too long - I skimmed :tongue:

 

ANYWAYS... what was the original subject again?

 

that's a harsh assumption. i mean, i'm sure you're nice guy but just because you sleep round someone's house doesn't mean they wanna shag you. she could be a virgin for all you know, what if she wants to get to know you better first? me and my ex slept together various times but we didn't go any further than making out (which was more his decision than mine). If you really like someone, just being with them is enough...

 

i don't want to have sex every time i make out. and sometimes i say i don't want sex when i very well do. she will let you know what she wants eventually. she put her nighty on and said sweet dreams. that does not translate to "let have sex". if she was saying no but meant yes, this would not have happened. just be more perceptive and you will know if no means no or if no is a tease. bottom line is accept what you get and don't assume and certainly don't feel like she should have done more than she was comfortable with.

 

Well I think you should not put it that way. I mean say it as you will, but if you like her dont put it as get lucky cause you can get that anywhere from any girl. However, I think she is teasing you a bit and as a guy naturally you get turned on and you want to do more. I think you should talk to her...dont talk to us...talk to YOUR GIRL...tell her at least if you two arent going to have intercourse or "you're going to get lucky" then not to tease you so much....ofcourse you should also take into consideration that she had a couple of drinks maybe that was it. Be a bit more understanding for her and talk to her to be more understanding with you....also, good things come for those who wait and if you care about her it's worth the wait. If you can't wait...well then you can get that from any other girl.