Make Way For The New Woodstock Revolution!

You'll lose a lot of business that way. And it's impossible. If you make music and it's put into CD form, anyone will be able to make it into MP3 form. Just rip it to the computer. I don't care for music people that take the attitude "You can't sell my music/share it". Music up until the advent of the record, was for the enjoyment and sake of it. Sure you had concerts and what not where you had to pay for it, but it wasn't an actual industry that made the amount of cash they make now.

I view music as an art form, and believe that all art should be appreciated by the masses freely. I plan on becoming a writer. I will sell books, but should I refuse my books to be placed into libraries because they are free? That would be pointless, not to mention bad for reputation.

 

yeah. if your real misson is to spread your word/vibe, then you gotta support the exchange of music freely. the thing is that music is a life force. You have to see it for it really is. If you dont want to share, then dont create.

I love music and i know that without the sharing of music, there are sounds that i would never hear. i purchase my music, but i am glad its available on a wider scale for me to enjoy.

The thing that is great about life is the ability to give to others, thats gotta include music. Or whatever you got. Give it up and share it. Things are alwyas better when you share...especially psychedelics

 

I don't see it as "sharing music freely". I see it as draining the worth of music, as it is way more valueable as an album, not moneywise but in another way. I hate technology because it is destroying music and we are slaves to it once again. Buying an album means so much more. They didn't have mp3s in the sixties and seventies, and are you going to tell me the bands had no money?

 

I have a hard time with this whole discussion of who profits. I thought this thread was about a new Woodstock Generation. Woodstock was totally about sharing the experience. I am sure there were those that made big bucks, but I don't think it was Joe Cocker or Janice.

If you want your voice heard you put it out there.

 

You're not going to get noticed if you don't distribute your songs on the web for free.

Fuck do I hate it when I know I'm grammatically incorrect but I don't know how to fix it.

But anyways, I'm sure that so many musicians who lived in the 60s would have freaking loved sites like myspace (the music side) and soundclick. Just think of all the musicians back then who never had their music listened to. Sites like myspace and soundclick are the most important distribution assets to many, many independent musicians.

And besides, I could convert your songs into mp3's. Anybody could.

 

I'm talking like companies that I despise as in iPod selling mp3s of my music. If they want it, they'll buy the album. Whatever they do with that, it's not really my problem.

 

But they would then share your music...

So it "devalues" it right there.
Music artists move with the time. Because the time dictates MP3's, that's how it goes. Chuck is right - if the artists back in the 60's and 70's had these resources, they would have used them too.

 

Its not really iPod that dictates whether or not they sell your album. That depends on your contract, and many small, independent labels ship their products out to Apple in an effort to get their artists a bigger fanbase. This is in turn makes the record company money, which is the sole purpose of most record companies (even the 'small' ones). Unless you're going to be completely independent, what with you doing your own pressing and distributing, which is probably going to be five million times tougher than you think, there is no sure way that your music won't be distributed on itunes.

...and even if youre going to do everything on your own, I don't know why you wouldn't want as much attention as you could possibly get.

 

It's not worth it. Music just isn't worth it anymore. Everything's going down the tubes. Do you honestly think if Led Zeppelin would've come out in 2006 they would've been successful? Not a chance. I mean, I'm not writing hip-hop, I'm not writing rap, I'm not writing pop-punk, pop or modern rock, so am I really going to make it? Seriously. It's just not worth it. What can I really do in this age? I don't belong here, and I can't./won't write mainstream music. I like Bob Dylan, the Grateful Dead, Pink Floyd, and such. But they just don't do things that way anymore. It's all commercialized and slavery to the media.

 

Actually alt/indie/adult has quite the following. Led Zeppelin would (probably) fit in that genre now-a-days. Rock has changed from what it was 30 years ago, partially because of Zep and their contemporaries.


But again, this is a situation where you need to look in the present, and not the past. That past is important to learn from - but not to live in.

 

Well hey, if you want to only adhere to what's popular, that's your prerogative. But if Bob Dylan had been that way he never would've released the three great albums that came out in '65 and '66, and surely bands like Led Zeppelin and the Grateful Dead would have given up on music if they believed that they couldn't make the music they wanted to simply because it wasn't popular before they came around.

You shouldn't limit yourself to what's popular. That's what 'artists' like Britney Spears and Jessica Simpson do.

 

My advice is don't worry about that kind of stuff. Just write the kind of music you want to write and don't worry about what may or may not be popular. That's what those old school musicians did, and that's why there music is still being listened to today - they wrote what was in their hearts.

Half of the bands today will be totally unknown 20 years from now because of the reasons you mentioned, they produce commercialized corporate products with little or no artistic value. In the 60's the good musicians recorded genuine art, and because of that people are still listening to them now, 40 years later.

Just write what you feel, and you will not only make better music that people will want to hear, but your music will also stand the test of time.

 

it sounds to me, that if your not gonna write music you like because you dont think anyone woill listen to it, you just want to become a musician for money and fame. thats not what music should be about. yea, all the hugly famous bands did like the money, like the fame, like the parties, and like the groupies. but they started out thinking, i wanna play some rock and roll with my friends and make art. not to make money. you cant expect to make money off music. so if you like to make music, make it for the music itself. not the money. otherwise you will end up being just like all those bands you hate. for me, if i had a band that could release an album and if even just 5 people liked the album, id be happy and feel like a i acomplshed something.

 

Yes, I plan to do just that. It's just, can I really make it in today's technology-captive shallow world?

 

so you dont have to make it. and technology has nothing to do with music. who gives a shit if kids are downloading your songs for free instead of paying ridiculus prices for cds. id rather have people just listen to my music then be paying 15-20 dollars just for 10 songs. then the cds get scratched and you gotta buy another one. fuck that. plenty of people still do buy albums. maybe not the actual disc, but they buy music off iTunes.

just make music if you actually care about the music, if you dont and you just want the money, then dont ake any music and go get a real job. even if people did always buy cds 100% of the time, chances are you wouldnt make it big anyway. stop blaming technology and just accept the fact that youll get famous and rich if you are lucky and talented. very few people have both.

 

Many of the groups and singers of my generation were more concerned with getting their message heard than profitting from their music. I am not sure what your beef is... nothing is ever guarranteed unless you've caught someone in the closet with the maid and you're holding that over their head. Guess you don't think your voice, message is worth sharing. If you have a song or message today it's easier to get it out there and heard than ever before. What you're whining about is bullshit.

 

Is your goal to make music or sell your records?
Imagine no possesions, I wonder if you can

Imagine a world where the people in the ELF and the people at Monsanto both think things are good.

Measuring your success with the Man's ruler puts you in the Man's world. Rejecting that world means rejecting the symbols of success and happiness which that world values.

You can make it beside today's technology-captive shallow world. But the Man's values define that world. Making it out of that world is better than making it in that world.

Yeah, go for it. Don't worry about defeating them. Defeat/victory is their game. Collecting people into them/us categories is their game. They are very good at their game. Play by your rules not their's.

Or, you could become the next Britany Spears and get to kiss Madonna.

 

if people download your music, then they're refusing to buy into the corporations and and the fat cats of the music indrustry. Downloading music is becoming rebellious in a sense because alot of greed-hungry artists are not allowing to have their music downloaded. So, really...having your music downloaded off of the internet makes more sense for your cause than having put into the stores legitimately.

 

exactly what i was trying to say

 

Greedy artists may be against downloading, but greedy corporations are busy trying to get people to download from their site.