Make Way For The New Woodstock Revolution!

Not only is it true but it speaks eloquently about not judging someone solely on age. There's wisdom that many 30- and 40-year-olds would be hard-pressed to demonstrate reflected in those words. The future will be brighter if that intelligence is combined with a tolerance for those given to idealism more than cold hard facts... this isn't directed at lunnyonthegrass but at the impassioned proponents of change as a whole- don't dash the naive dreams of those who'd rather not steep themselves in passionless research.

 

What are you saying here? That people's dreams are often naive and not based on anything? If that be the case, these dreams are actually based on real knowledge, and on the openness of the mind and the non-acceptance of the abundant lies propagated by contemporary society. Thanks to the age of information, the real knowledge is plentiful, and nothing, not even the deepest darkest secrets can be hidden from the world.

 

True- and some folks would rather hide themselves from the facts.

Part of the post was responding to unquoted in-fighting previous in the thread where some idealism was attacked for it's being rooted in something other than reality.

Conservatives have flourished in part because they embraced the less informed without attacking what could be seen as ignorance. A vote is a vote regardless of the thought that may not be behind it. Those too young to vote who are attacked for their naive idealism will likely remember that when they do vote and they aren't as likely to look favorably on a political movement that attacked their idealism.

 

Oh, man! This just gave me a wonderful idea. Check your private message box in a minute.

I'm, sorry, what did you say? I have very bad eyes, so I can't read this. Can you please post it again using a larger font? And also, the biggest font they have is still too small, so can you please send me a magnifying glass in the mail? And a pocket dictionary so that I can translate it from whatever language you are using to english? I can give you an address of a P.O. box for that purpose. I'd have been endlessly grateful if you could do that for me, mate.

 

Slipping anarchist's into the system, presenting them as two-party cronies is one way of peacefully overthrowing the system. The key is finding away around the money fueled mechanism designed to weed out viable alternatives so we can start taking the country back

 

I agree.

 

Point by point it's tough to make any arguments with you because frankly, you're factually pretty correct. I'm drawn to the spirit in which you've chosen to deliver your message.

It appears to me that it's very important for some reason to prove everyone else wrong and you right. My "Trojan Horse" style of infiltrating the U.S. government was intended purely as hypothetical. I certainly didn't believe that such a plan would have a realistic chance, but thank you for shooting it down with your iron clad fact barrage. Using terms like "half-assed" and pointing out how little I have to offer is accomplishing exactly what? What is your agenda in typing this?

Words such as yours, delivered in the manner that you've chosen seem calculated to stifling free thought. Nothing is irrefutable... whether or not I or anyone else here is currently equipped to argue; so presenting your side as such certainly comes across as arrogant and self-serving. Please note that I'm giving some leeway here assuming that is not in fact your intent.

In short, I'm trying to afford you a little dignity and would hope that you might extend the same courtesy to those not as richly endowed with "irrefutable facts" as you. If you show respect for those whose opinions differ from yours then they will be more likely to reciprocate.

 

I'm sorry, what? I could probably refute any of your arguments in a flash, before you can even blink, but unfortunately for you, I can't read what you are saying. Please don't write like that if you're seriously expecting a reasonable conversation.

Comparatively, that's not a serious problem. Imagine for a second, that we have somehow succeeded with a revolution, and governments around the world have been brought down.

Now, Native Americans, Taitians, and a variety of other isolated peoples have shown mutual respect, having just one tribal leader, and they had no knowledge of things like theft, private property, etc. They were happy with that, their rituals, and everything, and they loved their tribal leaders. However, it only lasted until white people came (I'm not being racist here, I'm just citing a historic fact.), and infected them with their greed...

Today, a big portion of the world, though luckily not the majority, is infected by the idea of greed and does not know how to show respect to others, or live without trying to grab as much capital as possible, even though they won't ever need 90% of it. A big portion of the world is infected by the idea that money is everything, that money is the most fullfilling achievement, which is, in fact, a mere illusion. If civilization were brought down, we could not erase the dirt from people's heads.

Assume that the rebels would know better, and they would show respect to each other and their tribal leaders, and they would excercise equality during and after the revolution. The fundamental problem that would need to be addressed at this point is, what about the rich businessmen of our civilization, who were overthrown? How do we ensure that they do not attempt to recreate slavery?

 

I'm sorry, what? I could probably refute any of your arguments in a flash, before you can even blink, but unfortunately for you, I can't read what you are saying. Please don't write like that if you're seriously expecting a reasonable conversation.

That guy can't be correct given the font he uses, people that have something of substance to say never use that kind of font. His agenda is to shut everyone up because he does not like the topic in this thread. Or so I am inclined to think.

Comparatively, that's not a serious problem. Imagine for a second, that we have somehow succeeded with a revolution, and governments around the world have been brought down.

Now, Native Americans, Taitians, and a variety of other isolated peoples have shown mutual respect, having just one tribal leader, and they had no knowledge of things like theft, private property, etc. They were happy with that, their rituals, and everything, and they loved their tribal leaders. However, it only lasted until white people came (I'm not being racist here, I'm just citing a historic fact.), and infected them with their greed...

Today, a big portion of the world, though luckily not the majority, is infected by the idea of greed and does not know how to show respect to others, or live without trying to grab as much capital as possible, even though they won't ever need 90% of it. A big portion of the world is infected by the idea that money is everything, that money is the most fullfilling achievement, which is, in fact, a mere illusion. If civilization were brought down, we could not erase the dirt from people's heads.

Assume that the rebels would know better, and they would show respect to each other and their tribal leaders, and they would excercise equality during and after the revolution. The fundamental problem that would need to be addressed at this point is, what about the rich businessmen of our civilization, who were overthrown? How do we ensure that they do not attempt to recreate slavery?

 

Allegations are one thing, facts are another. I would like to see some facts about Ghandi.

I feel that a revolution in thinking must happen before anything changes. That can happen, one person at a time. Nothing happens over night...

Peace and love

 

Reading this user's posts reminds me of an old quote that has been in my sig from time to time: "Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig"

It has been determined that this was a troll who has been since dispatched with. Expressing any sort of difference or showing an agitated response to the font assault amounts to feeding the troll- which regrettably, we both did.

We are excessively steeped in capitalism and in reality, I suspect it would take an economic calamity the scale of the Great Depression to get middle America to take notice and take part in a revolution. The information spinning that takes place in our political system makes it all but impossible for the truth to get out. And as the most disagreeable "The AmanuensisOfGod" pointed out, people ARE too damned fat and happy to effect any meaningful political change. Most these days willing allow themselves to be led into believing what someone else wants them to believe... and the notion that there's nothing one person CAN do keeps otherwise dissatisfied people from doing or saying anything apart from declining to participate in the political process.

Anyway, It appears that the first of the double posts was taken care of so you might want to edit out the request in the second.

 

Yeah, you're right. We should have just not responded to his posts. He would soon run out of fuel...

I'm inclined to be more optimistic. I believe that only a minority of the people is rich, not 99% as "The AmanuensisOfGod" claimed, but maybe about 10%. Therefore, poor people constitute a majority of the world's population, and hence, the majority of the world's population is potentially on our side.

This is why people with good speaking abilities are of great use here. They could just go offline and teach people the truth, face-to-face, in the form of lectures. Some speakers, such as John Zerzan, are already doing this. This summer, he has travelled 12 countries worldwide just to open people's eyes to the truth.

 

I agree with 0817,

I think that many young people are becoming more socially aware, and through speakers etc. a real change could occur

and im sorry, I will definately contribute more so, im just increadibly tierd I have'nt slept (hence the grammer mistakes) and Im going to hurry off to bed
I just felt that I HAD to get in on this discussion, Ill be back to actually make a point tommorrow.

 

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you guys speak of excessive capitalism, what other economic system would you propose? sure as hell cant be communism.

also all you people are speaking of how horrible this govt is and how it really needs to be changed....honestly, what injustice has it done to any of you? the vast majority of you cant say anything...and drug charges dont count...they are illegal and whether you like it or not, they can arrest you.

you would better off start your little "revolution" in some other country. it will never work here no matter how hard you would try. you would have to do it in some country that the people actually WANT change. the only problem is, most people in countrys like that, the average citizen doesnt give a rats ass about politics. so long as they can keep farming their crops, and owning their land, they are happy. and your revolution would be asking them to give up the little they have.

in this govt, things arent as bad as you all say. you guys exaggerate like crazy. lets make a list of things that people are fed up with.

taxes, they suck but are nessesary to keep our roads, schools, and health care going. we cant change that

drugs, they suck too. but i firmly believe the laws will change when POPULAR opinion thinks the war on drugs is out of hand and realize the truth about how legalization of all drugs would actually benefit the country.

the war, that is something you can change by voting for a real candidate, not some puppet like Obama or clinton, but for someone like ron paul. you dont need a revolution for that. you jsut need to be 18.

please add things you are fed up with and think is a reason for a revolution... if i can honestly see it as a good reason, im not gonna shoot it down out of stubborness

 

Firstly why do you feel so strongly against communism, not that I'm all for it, but what do you have to back up that statement other than a seemingly unfounded opinion?

As far as capitalism goes and injustices that have been done to people because of it a very basic example would be Wal-Mart and the havoc that it is wreaking on America in general. Workers receive poverty level pay even while working full time.
but walmart isn't the topic at hand...

I'm guessing you have never heard of police brutality or on a more common level the simple injustice of being lied to by a government that is supposed to be the reason we are the "greatest country".
Examples being pearl harbor, the infamous REEFER MADNESS and most recently the lie that Iraq had tons of weapons of mass destruction used to justify war.

Which brings me to the war on drugs, which you seem to be more opinionated about. So I wont rant about victimless crimes and such.

and finally wouldn't you think if the people in this forum have such strong opinions on the matter that they obviously vote and KNOW who,why , what and they are voting for? So going on about that is not going to have much an effect--they aren't 13 year olds who think anarchism's cool because they heard it in a Pennywise song without even knowing anything about it.

and again I'm not instigating anything I was just asking that you think about things from multiple points of few instead of having one sided arguments without any support.

I feel that I've left out a bunch of points I was originally going to make but Ill leave it at that.

 

communism just flat out doesnt work. its impossible. there just isnt enough money to make it work without having everyone be poor and the ones in power get corrupted. its happened to every communist country. its a fantastic idea in theory, but since people are greedy, it cant work.

i hope you diddnt get the impression im anti-drug, i do drugs all the time, but i dont think the drug laws are a reason to have some revolution

the reefer maddness happened in the 30's everyone realizes that was all bull shit. so thats irrelivent. i understand that the iraq war was founded on multiple lies, but even so, americans did reelect the man who lied to them. we could have impeached him, but the majority diddnt want to then, so he stayed. as it should be. the majority makes the laws. i dont know what your talking about pearl habor unless you mean the stuff in Zeitgeist...but i havnt read enough about it to have any opinion on that.

police brutality isnt the govt. its the police force. and once again the MAJORITY of americans dont believe it happens enough to do anything about it. they think its a once in a blue moon thing. just a random bad egg. i know they arent seeing the truth in the fact that it happens much more often then they realize, but thats not a reason to revolt against the govt, thats the police.

and with walmart, the emloyees can get a different job. there are millions of places to work that dont require college educations. and majority of america doesnt see anything wrong with walmart so they wont boycott.

the whole point is that the beauty of america, is that the people look at an issue, and if majority of the people want it to change, it will change. even if things are rediculusly fucked up, the constitution gives the right to change things to the majority, not the minority. and remember people on this website are minoritys, pacifists are minoritys, good people are minoritys, smart people are minoritys. it sucks, but thats how it is. you cant have a revolution and force you ideas of a govt onto the people when most of them wont agree.

i still think the best way to change things, is to inform people of the truth, and vote. i dont believe our country fixes elections. we arent that fucked up yet. what our country does is manipulate the media to control the masses. best way to counter that is for as many people to be informed

 

Your generation will never have another woodstock for one reason only...you want someone else to arrange it for you. Can't happen that way.

 

It worked for 100,000's of years before agriculture began, therefore it is possible. What U.S.S.R. had was good (if you know the truth), but it was not real communism, because real communism cannot exist together with a government. Therefore, what we need is a lack of government and elimination of all greedy people such that the Way of Nature could be restored...

 

idealistically, sure but its not possible in todays culture...all people in todays culture is making another almighty dollar

and the ussr starved their people, how can that be a good system?