Make Way For The New Woodstock Revolution!

Mo, I meant has. I was responding to the comment made about music with messages of suicide and violence.
No, I personally like to hear Robert and Jim sing about it. Robert is freaking gorgeous and Jim is wicked dead sexy. I LOVE them. Whole Lotta Love pretty much makes me fall out of my chair EVERY TIME I HEAR IT. MAN!!!! Erm sorry that's not the point. I meant music that tells you to kill people or yourself.

 

WSC, please respond too this, i would like to see what you have to say as you are the creator of this thread

 

Yes, but music is how I respond to events in the world. Plenty of my songs are politically-charged. I know about the Israel and Lebannon fighting, and it breaks my heart that there is such intolerance in the world. Wow. I am speechless over that whole thing. How can people support that kind of hatred and violence? Well, people do. My parents for instance. I couldn't ever tell them I was anti-war. They think I think it's great that people want to wipe entire countries off the map, because when in my house for some reason, in the issue of conservative/liberal views, we're told what we believe, not asked.

 

ok im glad that you know whats going on. cause most kids our age do not know anything

 

you should just tell your parents that you believe that all fighting is wrong. taht you completely oppose their views. i did that with my mom and she was very upset that i diddnt believe in her religion, political views, opinions, and morals. i mean, whats the worst they could do? its not like they can ground you for saying you dont agree with them. now whenever i debate my mom i can see how full of shit she is and how hypocritical she is. but ive also found out much about my mother in the last 2 monthes that have cause me to lose all respect for her

 

Yes... normal teenagers minds don't go beyond their hair and their boyfriends. In the sixties they actually cared about what was going on around them in Viet Nam.

 

I think certain drugs should be legalized (including LSD), most of the time I hate police and DEA agents, I am not religious, I think war is very wrong, I don't think it's wrong to have sex before you're married, I would drink before I'm 21... just so many things they'd hate me for. I don't know how to explain it. I'm scared.

 

how about next time you hear you mom or dad make a comment you dont agree with speak up, dont just nod. they need to respect your beliefs

 

I'm too scared to tell them. These are very liberal beliefs and my family is strictly conservative. Especially my dad would be furious and... I'm just too scared.

 

bummer. you should slap your dad with a cod fish

 

LOL yeah. It's suffocating sometimes... I've been hiding it for a year.

 

dont hide it for too long or else youll expload like i did. i used to hold everything inside, which i still like doing, but after i got busted for drugs my mom freaked and sent me away to live with my dad 8 weeks ago and she still has no plans on bringing me back. ive been thinking about hows shes acted throught my life and ive heard stuf from my step mom about what shes done and really she is very selfish, intolerant, hypocritical, and closed minded. i snapped recently when talking to her and was an idiot and cursed her out.

dont let that shit happen cause it fucks lots of stuf up cause i think im in the same situation as you. a super catholic family who is worshipping the war and bush and hates anyone who doesnt think like them.

 

you guys have to give your parents a little more credit, i think. Not to be preachy, but they have lived a long time...

They say (in a political science class i took in college) that todays liberal is tomorrows conservative. This happens because after so long, the libal views come to pass through legislation once that generation is old enough to actaully enter the governemental system- perhaps this is your parents too. Maybe not. The point is, they are probably trying to get you to avoid making mistakes that they perhaps made when they were young. Peoples views change rapidly once they have children...the parental mode kicks in.

That is not to say that parents are always right. You have to speakup and let them know that while you dont plan doing yourself or anyone else harm, you intend on living YOUR life, not necessarily the one they would like you to live. I am lucky, because my mom is a liberal. She is mostly supportive of my views and shares many of them with me.
However, there are many things that we do not agree on. she doesnt like me to smoke pot, but she respects my decision, because she can not change it. She doesnt like it when i do what she calls "psycadelic drugs" but again, she understands that i feel a certain way, and that will not change. She also understands that i live a responsible life, and that i intend on always being safe FIRST.
Mr. M, as far as your stepmom saying things about your mom, i think that is WRONG. First of all, we shouldn't know some things about our parents, just as we would not want them to have to know certain things about us. Do not be so hasty to judgement on things you may have heard. I think that situations, as i am sure you know, have a tendancy to be one sided. Especially when being administered by a third party who is loyal to your father. I come from a divorced family too, and you have to take those things with a grain of salt.
Woodstockchild, i def. agree with mr. m on this one. You should have the freedom, especially in your own home, to tell your parents that while you understand their way of doing things, that you do not agree with their political views. I dated a guy in highschool who taught me something i try to always keep in mind: he said "i may not always agree with you, but i will always support you"
That always stuck with me, and even though we are now just friends (after dating for 3 years) he is steadfast in his resolve to always support me. He is a conservative, and i am a liberal.

So you see, my friends, sometimes you just have to give people the benefit of the doubt. undoubtedly so, sometimes people are jerks-- even parents. But you love them anyway, because they are family. In the end, i think that you will see that you are very glad to have parents who care about you enough to punish you, even though it sucks. And someday, you and i will have children, and they will probably at some point feel the same about us. Think about it....

 

no, its more complicated than you think. my step mom isnt telling me her views. but stuff like when i was 8 and got my first communion my dad wastn there and i asked my mom why, she said he couldnt make it and made him look bad. she goes out of her way to make me resent him and lies to me in the process. i found out that the truth was that my mom refused to let my dad come because she is jealous that he is married. im not gonna go into what happens with my mom because since no one else knows her you cant make judgements on wheteher im being a immature teenager or if my mom actually is what i said.

 

Yeah. I just don't know how to tell them. my family is Catholic (except me, I strongly dislike Catholocism) I made the mistake once to open with my grandparents about my views on the religion, and my dad got em in a lot of trouble. What would they say if I thought DRUGS should be LEGAL (they swallow all those anti-drug lies the government spoon-feeds them) and that I am COMPLETELY and UTTERLY anti-war. I've been a republican up until I was old enough to finally think for myself. I just never told them I changed. it was Guns 'n Roses Civil War that literally changed everything I believed. It was so powerful that it made me stop and think. These are the lyrics to the song...

Guns 'n Roses: Civil War

Look at your young men fighting
Look at your women crying
Look at your young men dying
The way they've always done before

Look at the hate we're breeding
Look at the fear we're feeding
Look at the lives we're leading
The way we've always done before

My hands are tied
The billions shift from side to side
And the wars go on with brainwashed pride
For the love of God and our human rights
And all these things are swept aside
By bloody hands time can't deny
And are washed away by your genocide
And history hides the lies of our civil wars

D'you wear a black armband
When they shot the man
Who said "Peace could last forever"
And in my first memories
They shot Kennedy
I went numb when I learned to see
So I never fell for Vietnam
We got the wall of D.C. to remind us all
That you can't trust freedom
When it's not in your hands
When everybody's fightin'
For their promised land
And

I don't need your civil war
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor
Your power hungry sellin' soldiers
In a human grocery store
Ain't that fresh
I don't need your civil war
Ow, oh no, no, no, no, no

Look at the shoes you're filling
Look at the blood we're spilling
Look at the world we're killing
The way we've always done before
Look in the doubt we've wallowed
Look at the leaders we've followed
Look at the lies we've swallowed
And I don't want to hear no more

My hands are tied
For all I've seen has changed my mind
But still the wars go on as the years go by
With no love of God or human rights
'Cause all these dreams are swept aside
By bloody hands of the hypnotized
Who carry the cross of homicide
And history bears the scars of our civil wars

"WE PRACTICE SELECTIVE ANNIHILATION OF MAYORS AND
GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS FOR EXAMPLE TO CREATE A VACUUM
THEN WE FILL THAT VACUUM AS POPULAR WAR ADVANTAGE
PEACE IS CLOSER" **

I don't need your civil war
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor
Your power hungry sellin' soldiers
In a human grocery store
Ain't that fresh
And I don't need your civil war
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
I don't need your civil war
I don't need your civil war
Your power hungry sellin' soldiers
In a human grocery store
Ain't that fresh
I don't need your civil war
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no uh-oh-uh, no uh-oh, uh no
I don't need one more war

I don't need one more war
No, no, no, no uh-oh-uh, no uh-oh, uh no
WHAZ SO CIVIL 'BOUT WAR ANYWAY?

 

I'd tell them right away, but then it's just me... cause I kinda like to argue and prove I'm right. Then again it depends if you want them to be proud of you or if you want to be proud of yourself...

I agree with Mr. Morrison... you can't spread a message only with music. Music can be very influential, but you can't just sing a peace song and hope people to become peaceful... unfortunately. The peace message will only be received by those who want to receive it. People listen what they want to hear.

 

Yeah, but if people take the message seriously, they may stop and consider peace. I did. Music has shaped the person I am today.

 

ha, im just like that.

 

yeah, as i said before, i think there is a difference between telling them things that will make their heads spin and just letting them into your world a little bit. Opening doors should be done slowly, if you get my drift

 

Don't tell them. I don't tell tehm. This way when I leave home they will feel that they did not screw up rasing me. In our religon one of the main roles of the parents is to bring the child up and make sure he beleives the religon. I don't. My parents don't know that I don't share their vaules and I intend to keep it that way. I love them so for their own self esteem I'll keep it from them.