I completely agree with that, it was a good example. I think someone urinating on any symbol is beyond the perameters of humor, it is insulting and, yes, hateful. Though not hateful, the "Truth" fish swallowing the Darwin fish is sillier than just either a Darwin or Jesus fish. OH, Truth! I see it now, that really shut me up. I will convert now. (how silly) But seriously, I don't know of anyone that changed their life or converted to a religion because of a bumper sticker. I respect the intelligent ones and if I put AR stickers on my car, it is not with the notion that people will automatically see things my way. I am proud to be vegan and if someone has questions then I am glad ot help. All I can hope for is a conversation, I think most people who put bumper sticker on their cars have some beliefs behind them and are just sharing with everyone. (some are just for humour, I saw one about forks yesterday)
this is a great idea. im gonna send for one. Ive never seen them btw. ohh and hipunk, do you mind if I save your pic and use it on my myspace account?
you mean ASShole? and that's why you are the type of Christian that no one likes. You make all of them look bad. I am pretty sure Jesus didn't call anyone an asshole. How can you get all offended about a Darwin fish, but have the nerve to actually curse at someone online? Are you 14? You are obviously one of the aforementioned morons and can't get the joke. I am very much against people desecrating holy symbols (once again, hateful). If someone had a Calving pissing on a Bible or Koran, that's unacceptable. But the Darwin fish isn't. Maybe you should go back to church and learn some basic decency and kindness. (or do they just leave that part out of sermons these days?). Do you really think I am going to be more tolerant of your beliefs after you insult me? Thanks anyone who is ordering the bumper stickers. If CBN gets 100 letters back, that would be awesome! Peace, everyone (even you, sweet little Erasmus)
. Thanks TheMistress, for asking to use the altered image. I renounce copyright of that image of the altered bumper stickers. People, please do post it at myspace or anywhere and post it often. But try to give it a caption, like I did that explains how it was made from the free cbn.com sticker. Here's the addy, (they may change it.) http://www.cbn.com/special/marriageamendment/ or call 1-800-759-0700, to order the PROTECT THE SANCTITY OF MARRIAGE bumper sticker. pm me where you posted it. On the subject of ICTHUS, the christian fish symbol: We know that. We know all about christian suffering. But when it's slapped on the bumper of a polluting, gas guzzling, behemoth of an SUV driven by an overfed, pompous, bigot in the x-burbs proclaiming the fact that god loves me and hates you? No one for a moment would consider that she was defacing the symbol. Hypocrisy in motion, literally. Christians are addicted to their symbols, more so than the truth of their lord. I mean christians hate, and god is love. So they don't mind defacing the truth. However somebody messes with a symbol -they freak. But um doesn't it say something in the bible about Graven Images. No, wait a sec, God made a mistake on the 10 commandments, the second one at least according to the catholic church. The question is where do you place your faith in a symbol or in God?
First you made up a bunch of crap about some horrible people who DARE to constantly harrass and stalk you. You describe it like a mob of horrid fucks are pushing you around, throwing bibles at you, interupting traffic flow and compromising safety. Gimme a break! Then you go on to mock Jews as being rape-pimps and how you can rape a jew if you just pay 'daddy some money' and all this. Then you suggest that because some of these people (what a fake story anyways) are 'making you so mad' by daring to swarm you day and night and put their 'ideas' in places where you saw them (how DARE they) now you say.. ... This is why you will be happy to find something offensive to Christians and put it on your car so they can see it. You are just as bad as the rest of the aSSholes running around hassling people with insult symbols. Just as bad as the CBM people now. Your the problem now. You are a hypocrite ( i bet you love calling everyone else that eh) but now you are the real hypocrite. You say 'Peace Everyone' but in fact you actually want to (and plan now) to deliberately hassle and offend Christians and Jews. If you were trying to give peace but failed thats not hypocrisy - thats just falling short. In your case - you are delibertely preaching the opposite of what you have no intention of living.
. TheRealPamela, I know what you mean by fundamentalists stalkers. My brother lost his job due to a fundamentalist boss who was in his face with sarcastic remarks everyday. Those people are relentless. And I'm not the only one who is on to these jerks: BTW, decency and kindness isn't left out of sermons these days, but it is reserved for straight folks. .
Erasmus I didn't make up anything. The people on the corner come almost every Saturday, and we believe they are from the Lighthouse Baptist church. The women wear home-made dresses and wear their hair long. They peddle children as young as 5 or six with signs that ramble on about the end times, and do, indeed scream at people in their cars. I don't need to make it up, it's odd enough on it's own. It's sad though that they are brainwashed and hateful at such a young age and have little hope of open-mindedness or kindness. And yes, it happens about 4 times a week that I or the people I work with get harassed. I don't need to make things up (nor slander people, as you have done) to get attention. I do not hate Jews or Christians and I am sorry you are so filed with rage that you are blinded....that or you are very stupid. The rape passage I am referring to is Deuteronomy 22:28-29. I was showing that verse to make people understand that you can't take everything very literally, and that adjustments have to be made in order to apply them to here-and-now situations. You have things very twisted, and until I say I hate Jews or Christians, do not speak for me, because it is simply not true. I would also suggest not even speaking for yourself, since only asinine babble is being produced. It is funny to me how worked up you are getting. It has been apparent to me from the get go that neither one of us is going to change views, but by your posts, you clearly are confused. I am sitting back and laughing at you and letting you make a complete and utter fool of yourself in front of everyone, as well as a poor excuse for a Christian. Even though it is funny, I am growing tired of your silliness and wish you would at least refer to the topic at hand instead of insulting people. Topic in case anyone forgot: Request the anti-gay bumper sticker from CBN then write them a letter telling them how denying basic human rights/spreading hate is wrong, and thank them for paying your postage. peace
Nice passive-aggresive backtracking Pamela. Why dont you just give the crazies the finger. I would. Instead you are gonna slander and lie about CBN and put things on your car to give a little 'fuckyou' to all the Christians. Way to go.
Anyone who would defend the likes of CBN is past the point of logical debate or sanity. Actually *look up* the the stuff that Pat Robertson has said. I will not further humour your fanaticism. If anyone sane wants to reply, then I will respond to their posts. Grow up.
Wonderful idea on the request for bumper sticker. Have just done so and have taken the liberty of copying the suggested letter. It was so well said and unless otherwise directed by the author will return it in the envelope when my bumper sticker arrives. Have not yet decided what to do with the bumper sticker because I do feel that it would be wrong to deface someone else's property. However, I am sure I will find a use for it. They do ask you for an email address but did not reject my misspelling of mine. That should prevent a flood of spam.
Hippypaul- The sticker is *yours* once it arrives! bwahha! wipe your butt with it and send it back, who cares. (seriously don't send back anything gross like that, it was in jest) And yes, all of you have permission to copy that letter. May FSM be with you. Ra-men.
Has it crossed anyones mind that, regardless of who started it - maybe this kind of 'flip off' at CBN is going to result in them now getting all the more fired up to 'show you next time' and this is just going to keep going back and forth. Next time they come out with a bumper sticker with a 'rainbow' coloured swaztika.. then you come out with 'photoshopped' porn of Pat Robertsons kids being sodomised.. and they come out with a ... When does it stop? Has it crossed your mind that you might regret picking this fight? Its all good and well for you to put on a a 'Spaghetti Monster' hat and think your really 'sticking it to them' but what happens if all you did was fuel their resolve and they end up kicking your ass that much harder. The truth might be - acting more 'Christian' back to CBN and being 'one bigger' or simply confronting them with an honest respectful reply just might be the MOST effective thing you can do. Ever thought of that?
No it hasn't. But is that a threat? The CBN picked this fight. I can only defend myself in the best way I can. I wish you would do that Erasmaus70. Go ahead, write back to CBN and tell them what bigots they are. Tell them they disgrace the name of christianity. I am not a christian. It isn't my job to treat them like a better christian, not my job to show them the christian understanding they lack. That's your job. But you would rather defend their rights and chide us. .
I kinda figured that. I have seen CBN about 20 times in my life and have absolutely zero to do with them. It seems that its less a 'threat' and what is already happening. This thread is actually about CBN antagonising gays in case you didnt notice yet? "He started it!" Im sure if i ask CBN they will insist that it was 'Gay Orgs' who were the first to start campaigning or antagonising. So getting into a 'snear fight' and turning the 'battle of snubs and insults' up a notch in the arena of bumper stickers is really the 'best way to defend' ...errr.. whatever you are defending about yourself? I myself have never seen or heard of 'bigotry' from CBN but then again I dont watch it or keep up on it much. Robertson wierded me out with his 'assasination' plan but oddly enough wrote a fantastic book on the Parables back in the 90's. Maybe he is turning kook in his older age. I find that Im really put off by the wierd 'sugar-coated' homespunny goodness and whitebreadiness of these Television Ministry things from the USA. It seem very insincere and pretencious and in a real way very condescening to most of the Christians who would be watching. Kinda like Country Music Industry I suppose. If Benny Hinn is part of CBN then I definately agree its a disgrace to Christianity. Whats right is right. If Jesus has a better and more effective idea than the one you are planning then stick to your guns and use it to defend yourself. If you were to confront CBN by being reasonable, respectful and kind - you would not only have the very best chance of winning the best ones over - but you would really drive the negative ones crazy! For the record - I would die defending your right to free speech as well as CBNs. I suspect you would welcome legislation that would ban them from speaking their opinion? Even still, just because you 'can say something' doesnt mean its not a downright wrong and assholean thing to say. That goes for everyone equally.
It makes me angry that they are saying what they say, but I'm not going to pander and try to explain myself to a group of people who are, best case scenario, insane freaks. They are a fringe group whose power (whatever little they might have) will soon fizzle out, just like the KKK is now almost dead.