Lucy Finally Found Me. Now I need some advice??

Only psyches I have done are LSD, mushrooms, and salvia. I don't feel I need to try any RC's am I wrong for this thinking?

 

2ct2 has probably been the least stimulating 2cx ime, There are a few people here who have mentioned 2cc is like a psychedelic benzo, I personally found it somewhat stimulating just with an extremely short duration.

There is nothing wrong in that thinking, although I'm not sure if you are aware but the 2cx chems (I bring them up because we have been discussing them) are phenthylamines which provides a very different type of action on the psychedelic spectrum than those you listed. If you were to plan on trying Mescaline than you could probably get a general gist of what the 2cx's are about. Even then still many here respond to chems differently and have a strong affinity for some of these RC's, alot of them produce specific, unique effects that certain individuals prefer.

But on the opposite side of that... and I don't know how to word it very well, but part of me wishes I didn't try such a wide number of chems, I feel it sort of starts taking the focus off the psychedelic experience itself and there is sort of this comparative mindset to chems that develops that I have noticed in myself and many others or you start trying to out do yourself with various types of escapes.

 

^^^yeah, there gets to be this pokemon-like phenomena with RCs...gotta catch 'em all!

 

"with RC" means a lot of things, again.

writer taking 60mg is NOT anywhere near like 200. But you would probably be okay after 200, too.... maybe.

Assuming we're talking about pushing the dose as it relates to psychedelic effects and won't push it into physical danger, what I said holds, I'm quite sure.

Voyage, that "2ce" was never positively identified, as far as I know. And even if it was 2ce, it seems to either/or have been mixed with various RC speeds (MDPV or MMC) or simply have been mis-identified. That clearly falls under massive overdose, there where people drinking to the point of alcohol poisoning and then doing mephedrone sized lines of mystery (very potent) psychedelic. Shit happens, and if it was any OTHER drug, they woulda still bit the dust.... You can't account for pure stupid. But none of us are considering lining up a gram of 2Cx, I think....

Anyways, dose aside, as far as INTENSITY goes, I've only had bees, but I can't imagine ANYTHING like LSD, at ANY dose, on it. It was very nice stuff, like a more psychedelic molly (with a bad phenethylamine stomach on the comeup) and could have lots of theraputic use, but could never, I think, be pushed as far as something like LSD. It was more a "you" drug, while LSD is more of a "the world" drug. As far as intensity, I'd like to take 2-3x as much bees as I did. (I was told it was 16-18mg, which I assume is a rough guess, so we'll go with closer to 15.... it was in a press)

 

masturbate or sex waiting to come up.

 

Are you using psychedelic as interchangable with visual here when comparing 2cb and MDMA?

Because I agree with you that 2cb is a very "you" drug and MDMA is more of an ego softening trip in my experience, so I am curious if you aren't referring strictly to the visuals in what sense(s) are you talking about?

 

roorshack, if you only took 15-18 mg 2cb, you might not have a clue about what it can do

anything less than 30 mg has been hard for me to notice. at 30 mg and above it becomes pretty psychedlic (though i still agree it doesn't live up to LSD)

30-45 mg is a solid dose, i agree

 

love that dose range with bee :drool5:

well not "many" deaths actually, statistically this is still incredibly safe unless you do it for a very long time at very high levels.

No the high wasn't cutesy or quaint either in the moment of the peak or afterwards; yet I've had experiences so extreme that they made it seem that way comparably. For example 100mg DPT intranasally was aeons and infinities more dramatic and deep and overwhelming. With 2C-E I sort of "played along" and gave it permission in a way, with DPT i'm preparing myself for imminent death and rebirth experience and holding on for dear life as i am omegaraped.

No, no more wrong that if maybe you aren't interested in trying goat's cheese. It's an experience you choose to not have, so you're depriving yourself of a potentially good experience. It's all about variety too, all these RCs are so unique and splendid for the most part and they all compliment each other.

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GB, recalling that I didn't really have enough of it, the 2cb generally made me think of MDMA with the body sensations, and given the low dose, sort of the visuals. I could feel that it could have taken off on a little more, but it didn't. I expect it would have been less like MDMA on a higher dose, recall I was taking a press basically meant to be sold as a weak unit to people who might not be able to handle their shit. As far as visually, at sunset on a hill, smoking a blunt, I saw a blue 2d outline around the blunt, and in the distance, could see lines coming off the tops of mountains and all sort of sweeping the same direction in the sky, and disappearing in the clouds. Other than that, a general MDMA like visual "feeling", if that makes sense. It was nice, and would have had me worried if it happened sober, but it was nothing world-shattering.

Writer, I know, I'd love to have a proper dose, this was dosed for people who should not be dosing, for the mass market. I trust the seller and trust that it was 2cb, but even while being trustworthy, he was always doing psychedelics like a business, which I didn't like so much.

 

Honestly the only other two psychedelics I'd recommend are N, N-DMT and Mescaline. Keep in mind, Mescaline is a phenethylamine like many of the RCs so often people are trying to pass them off as actual mescaline. Mescaline dosage ranger is about 300mg to 1000mg though while almost all of the RCs are much much smaller doses so this can be an easy way to distinguish between real mescaline and a RC. Also most mescaline with be extracted instead of synthesized so its often brownish/tan/cream tinted, hardly ever pure bright white like RCs. Just like Mescaline, people try and pass off 5-meo-dmt as DMT and 5-MEO is much less visual and much more negative load on the body so you're honestly better off extracting your own DMT.

But my point is that I feel similar to you. If Lsd, Mushrooms, Dmt, MDMA and Mescaline readily available, there is no need to worry about RCs. And this is coming from someone who has done all of the above and a couple of different RCs.

 

I do desire to try DMT, MDMA and mescaline if I can find it.
I guess I just always viewed RC's as alternatives to LSD for people who couldn't find LSD in their area. My view has changed a lot on them in the last few months though, after finding out how many people take both standard psyches like LSD and RC's. Maybe some day I will seek out the various RC trips, but for now I am still exploring the more standard psyches. Nbome is a very interesting substance I must say though, I think i had it on blotter one time that was sold as LSD, boy was that a weird experience.

 

So, like OP, LSD has finally found me. Im getting 2 hits of blotter tomorrow, but im not sure ill be taking them right away.

So first, if im not taking them right off the bat, how should I store them/handle them?

Also, Im picking up some chronic tomorrow as well, should I save some for the trip or just take the come up and the peak right on the chin?

Lastly, I can either wait a while and try to trip outdoors, during the day, but with limited things to do, and have to deal with the cold, which means I cant play my beloved guitar due to the freezing hands issue. OR, I can chill at my friends (who will also be my sitter) house, overnight, which is basically a fun house of endless things to do, its warm, and the room ill be tripping in looks is REALLY trippy and it has running water/fridge/close bathroom. The only issue, is that his parents will be upstairs. The risk of intrusion is low, because theyll be sleeping the whole time, but its still a risk.

Other than that, all I really want to know are the definite, undisputed things that I should expect and be prepared for that most people encounter throughout their whole trip, as well as what I should tell my sitter to do, and not do.

 

Do you get on well with his parents? Are they the sort of people who will turn angry quickly? One thing that shocked me a lot about LSD is the ability to be able to click back into reality and hold down a normal conversation when need be (at least on low-medium doses anyway). At a friend's house one time, 3 of us were on about 5 hits each and were supposed to have a free house all night. All of a sudden, about 3 hours in, his mum burst through the door drunk as a skunk. My friend quickly rushed to the hallway making sure she didn't come into the 'tripping office', and spent about 45 minutes trying to calm his mum who'd apparently had one of those studpid, meaningless alcohol arguments. Whilst that was going on me and the other friend were sitting down in silence trying to keep our shit together in case we were asked to leave. We even tidied the room a bit. The funniest thing was though, about half an hour my friend got his mum to bed, the mum's boyfriend shows up. Again my mate quickly rushed to the door, tells him to go straight upstairs. About 10 minutes later the boyfriend knocks on the living room door, I've never seen my friend run so quickly, too quickly in fact because he didn't switch the light on and he answered the door to unveil himself wearing trippy glasses, whilst holding glowsticks, in a pitch-black room with weird music playing. Sorry for the rambling but basically you can keep it together if you have to, just remember to drop the glowsticks.

 

store them away from heat, light, moisture, oxygen. wrapped in tinfoil or a baggie, and put in a drawer at room temp is good enough for a short while.

i'm an everyday pot smoker, and i prefer to take the come-up and peak of a trip "on the chin." i don't smoke until the comedown generally, or when i decide i want to amp up a relatively weak trip.

if you wait to trip outside, will you have to remain outside the WHOLE time? if so, i'd probably not go for that option, but tripping in nature is like 100X better than staying inside the whole time. unless if you're taking a massive dose and can't move very well

definite, undisputed things you can expect? nothing. psychedelics are quite unpredictable. i would tell your sitter to try not to bother you honestly. i'd rather trip solo, or trip with someone else who is tripping. it'll get annoying having him ask "are you trippin yet?"

i'd say you can expect to feel the L first in your legs or your stomach. sort of a warm heavy tummy, and rubbery, jello-y legs. then a grin will start to overtake your face and you may laugh uncontrollably. don't worry about visuals. you may get some, you may not...it's not the meat of the experience. on the comedown you might feel some jaw tension, some cramps, a light headache. nothing too bad though, LSD is pretty "clean" as far as psychedelics go.

 

I don't necessarily agree with every point in these links, but in general there's some good points made and its a place to start.

http://csp.org/nicholas/A59.html
http://www.maps.org/resources/responding_to_difficult_psychedelic_experiences/

Kudos for being safe and considered.

 

The most the parents would do is call/text his phone, and tell him to "keep it down". He does have a sister there and she might barge in or something, shes done it before while we were high after smoking.

Could I keep the Lucy in tin foil, in a little glass jar, and have it last a while? Its looking like I can either take it later tonight by myself. Or wait a good week or more and take it at the state park, which was my original plan except to do it in Spring because its way to cold right now. At his house we could probably take a walk outside. But with the "his house" plan I wont be tripping during daylight at all, its a totally overnight thing.

I could defintely have an easier time tripping solo. But I dont think it would be as fun because my sitter is my drummer in our band and the music would just have a whole new world to it with drums. Also its my first trip, and I was advised that 1 hit would "make me feel really good" and taking the 2 together would probably "make me trip hard". Im not sure I want to be all alone in my apartment having amazing thoughts with nobody to share them with, or if it came to it, have a bad trip.

The only thing with parents, and having to deal with intrusions or people in general, is I already have social anxiety relatively bad. It could be an easy thing to deal with, but being caught off my guard on acid, being thrown in to a "must-deal with or risk further intrusion" situation could really freak me out and cause me to have a bad trip.

 

i wouldn't do it around his parents then. to be honest, i probably would trip with him unless he was tripping too. that just seems awkward to me. maybe not. does he have no interest in trying it?

i would do it in the state park

 

I don't recall if you said your sitter (your bandmate?) has experience with lucy. I would like to highly recommend you trip with someone your first time. If you feel certain the scene at his house will be chill, it'd probably be ok but truly only you can judge. A face to face encounter with non-understanding parents will ruin the experience, though it sounds like it would be a good place to be otherwise. Especially with the cold weather.
The other option could be to drop and do the peak at the park earlier in the day and then walk home (if it's walking distance, do not drive!) or if your sitter doesn't drop he could do the driving. Enjoy the comedown at his place. I don't play but IMO while you're peaking, you won't be playing either. The comedown afterglow is another story and from what I've read you'll enjoy playing immensely, and the afterglow time is really special.
Whatever you decide, be safe and enjoy. There's nothing like your first time.

GB may have some words about playing on lucy.

 

Theres almost nothing more fun than doing it with someone fun you know well! Don't even think about it going bad, just know that whatever emotion your going to have is going to be amplified, paranoia, fear, humor, excitement, so just go into a mood that you want. I've seen people act completely different on it, so make sure you're both ready, and know that no matter what you'll be fine and come-down.

Go WiTh ThE fLoW

 

So on the 12th I tripped, and I have to say, it wasnt much of a trip.

I was genuinely tripping, but it was not genuine TRIP. If that makes sense.

I had a slight body high, hysterical laughing at various times during the come up, and I did experience some changes in thought. I did hear a slight flange and this faint sound of like sonic water when I was playing guitar.

That was it though. ZERO visuals. I could have talked to my parents with no problem.

I took two hits and I heard someone took two hits of this same blotter and tripped serious balls.

So the only thing I can think that made my trip so weak was eating mcdonalds while out 5 hours earlier.

I heard that on your first trip you dont ever really have a seriously intense trip or something? It sounds ridiculous to me. But is that actually true?