LSD vs Shrooms

Morons take all sorts of drugs.

 

My first mushroom trip I remember lying in the clay by this waterfall some friends and I were at, and I could remember thinking of acid and what it would be like, and thinking about another me in another universe or another time on acid. And I reached my arm out and touched my acid self, and I got this vision of what it would be like on acid.

About 3 years later I went back to that spot on acid. It was nothing how I imagined it, but I thought back to that moment, it was so nostalgic and trippy. I layed in the dirt and put my arm out, and tried to make the connection. It wasn't quite like the mushroom experience, but it was still quite intense and deep. I felt like the aah goodness of completing both the journeys there.

Lengthy anecdotes aside, the whole shrooms having more of possibility of bad trip is basically true in some sense. Some people can take acid all day and be fine, but as soon as they take shrooms they can't seem to handle it. The intensity and depth of the thoughts is too much. I have had bad trips on both but its usually worse with mushrooms.

With acid your so energetic and uppity, even if you start getting down, you come back up again, you really have to be in a bad mind state to have a bad trip with acid. With shrooms, it can be more lethargic and you can get sucked into those depressed states. Tears and shivers caused from the mushrooms make things worse, then you feel like crying and depressed, it can make you want to scream out agony. Pretty much after dark trip though, there is a moment of light afterwards. You face you troubles and your fears, and you go beyond it, free from it.

 

My experience is that it's hard to differentiate between acid and shrooms. Yes, acid costs 10 a shit and shrooms costing $35 a eighth ounce or ten a gram. In my experience, I've seen 6 different colors and pictures of blotter paper, none of them LSD, only half of them active. The white unperfed ones I've found pretty consistent in quality and seen them across 4 states in the midwest and though they're probably all the same origin, excepting one ultra strong sheet, they're predictable. Shrooms I have not found predictable, an eighth could either leave you rolling around on the floor or sitting around all night waiting on a trip that barely happens. However I have found chemicals like 4-aco-dmt or 4-ho-mipt that gave me the consistency and effects I was searching for when I went to shrooms. Predictable effects by using a milligram scale to control dose and I personally believe reduced nausea because you're only getting the active ingredient and not all that plant matter (shroom matter?)...

Acid lasts longer keeps you awake and has a more controllable? feeling and also has a push for euphoria... I believe acid makes you predisposed to be happy

Shrooms last a bit shorter, you can sleep if you try, but the trip takes you more, (less controllable) doesn't seem to have a negative or positive push for euphoria.

But this could be reverse truth for some people. its just how I experienced it.

 

I've heard the mushrooms being less "controllable" beforeI've also heard that the body high is stronger


Is it controllable enough to solo trip shrooms though? Or is it really a group/sitter experience?

 

Depends on who you are. ;D

 

Zactly.

 

I think you should be okay since you've had a high dose acid trip, but I wouldn't suggest going in guns blazing and munching 5g straight away. It is easier to have a difficult experience on mushies because of the fact things don't go exactly how you'd like them to, and because the trip comes in waves of sobriety and full on trippiness without you even realising.

Solo mushy trips are the shit, but be prepared to get very lost inside your own head during the peak - it can get quite intense sometimes

 

Rarely do trips go exactly as planned. The serendipity is part of the wonder.
But ya, those waves.

This is good advice I feel. Once you're familiar with the psychedelic headspace the potential of getting stuck in a loop is greatly diminished but mushies can be very, um, loopy.
Care, set and setting.

 

I would go with mushrooms any day of the week. The acid now and days is just not as good as when it first came out. I rarely find LSD trips as profound as mushrooms trips. Plus mushrooms are all natural. For me mushrooms are less controllable as well. LSD for me is a rather clean high but not as mind fucking as mushrooms. I can control my LSD trip fully and sometimes i do not like to do that. I find that when i lose control in the sense of my thought process and visions i tend to have a much more profound trip.

 

Oh? Did you have some back then?

 

@voyage: Now I don't know if it's true. But I heard that 60s acid could go for like 500ugs a hit. It was safer too, because you don't have to worry walking around in public tripping, at least not nearly as much as you would today.

But here is my question, assuming that above statement is even slightly true.. If blotter is soaked in acid, wouldn't todays be just as strong as the past? Or is it simply the type of paper they use today is purposely weaker?

 

One reason for the drop in potency is the medium used. In the 60's blotter paper for LSD was not invented yet, they used liquid, sugar cubes, and tablets all of which hold more than a blotter. The inital dimensions of blotter were larger too I believe than today's standard.

I don't really get the safety aspect to your question though and I have wondered why like 80's-90's acid which is often cited as more potent might be more potent than today's acid though...

 

I've heard alot of things too. Owsley and Nick Sand's Orange Sunshine was ~300ug each which is partly why it was so famous. That's a pretty high per hit dose. You can find that documented all over.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXAKijc1Vmc"]Underground LSD Lab - YouTube
But 500ug each? Ya, maybe, but it had to be rare. Here's an article on testing and you'll see the chart on average doses on the right. From 69-75 the average was 75ug. They do say 5-500ug range though.
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_article1.shtml

All things equal, the paper has nothing to do with strong or weak. You could have thin paper with less capacity that contains more ug's than thicker paper. It depends on how it's laid. Give it some thought for a min.

@GB. Note in that vid why blotter became the medium of choice. Blotter paper has been around for ages, long before LSD. It wasn't a recent development nor did it have anything to do with LSD until someone realized it was more efficient and lighter than sugar cubes, ect. I used sheets of blotter paper in the printing biz, it comes in all shapes and forms like most paper. A good paper supply house would have it in various "weights", that is, density. So ultimately the volume of liquid that it can hold per sheet, per square inch, etc, depends on the particular grade you used. Then it's a function of LSD/solvent ratio.

 

I realize when I wrote it that my wording could be misinterpretted. But I was strictly referring to blotter paper not being a medium used for LSD during the 60's.

 

Oh, gotcha. I see how you meant it now.

Speaking of, here's some great blotter art from Ken Keysey's son. People might recognize the Homer sheet.

http://www.key-z.com/special.html

 

Great link Voyage, some really cool sheets.

 

black lotus, the thickness of the blotter doesn't have anything to do with how much LSD it can hold. that'd only be true if they were maxing out the amount of L in there, which i'm pretty sure is not the case.

they dissolve the crystal L in a vast excess of liquid such that it will equal a certain dose per tab. i'm sure they could make it 10 times more potent at least, by just dissolving the crystal in less solvent. hopefully that makes sense for ya

 

No i actually did not have it but my mother did actually. She still trips with me all the time and she tells me the stories of how good the LSD was back then. She says that today's LSD is shit compared to the pure stuff back then. I also heard it from a lot of people that are older then me that still trip LSD and they all say the same stuff

 

Oh gotcha. Turn them on to this then.

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_article2.shtml

Maybe "shit" means weak, like 50ug hits?

 

Yea thats what i think my mom meant by that