LSD theories, things you come up with while under the influence

lol i could i have sworn that enlightment could be considered as the realization of suffereing?

 

well, to a certain degree. there is alot of suffering that we can eliminate by looking to the root. but there is plenty of unavoidable suffering as well. physical pain is an easy example. what happens when an old meditating body starts to get arthritic?

also, i think at some point spiritually it becomes common knowledge that we individually are mere cells in a larger body of consiousness. perhaps an individual can eliminate much of his own suffering, but the fact is that within this larger body of consiousness, every other cell is suffering. we are connected that deeply. its like a cancer (renegade cells that have lost the ability to communicate with the host), even when one cell re-establishes communion with the host, a part of that is realizing that the host is suffering of cancer. not sure if this metaphor is the best, but i think it works.

how do we get to the root of that? its not nessesarily as simple as removing our attachment to our fellow man, because in so doing we are cutting off a part of ourselfs. it isnt wholesome to do so. i dont think our larger body of consiousness asks of us apathy, but rather it asks for true empathy.

all i know is im not trying to stiffle the beating of my heart, and my heart feels love. to feel love, it is inevitable that one feels pain. if for no other reason, the heart feels pain for those whom it loves in their moments of pain.
...ask your mother about this.

 

My realizations have been the usual ones; the illusion of time, the oneness of all things, and the spectacular beauty of life.

On my last trip I saw that there are different levels of reality. Reality is subjective and isn't really real at all. It is as real as you make it. Life has been a much more relaxed experience since "learning" this; after all, if it ain't real, what's the big deal? Just go witih it and enjoy the good things and learn from the things we perceive as bad.

That brings me to something I realized from the trip before last - there is no good, and there is no bad. Everything just is, and being is inherently good. The things we perceive as bad are opportunities to learn, which is always good. (I see how this may sound contradictory, but words are an inefficient means of communication, unfortunately - something I learned on my very first trip)

 

Jimmy are you familier with Ram Dass? If not you'd dig.

And isn't perceiving enlightenment as the end of suffering trying to have your cake and eat it too? I mean as long as we have the ability to love we have the ability for loss. But now were getting into duality, is this fine as long as we don't asign form to it (good/bad)? And as a previous poster pointed out the loss can just as equally benifit you as the love so if you approach the situation with a "rightcheous" view you experience only one end of the spectrum, for lack of a better term let's call it unity. But who is to say what is right/wrong good/bad so do we only experience unity?

These arnt nessiscarilly my opinions I've never REALLY pondered this deeply I'm just rambling for the sake of conversation.

 

one theory i had or just a observation is how even though the sun is incredibly far its still able to produce enough light for some type of light for some form of life...I also became sick of sun rises and sun sets, i want something different like a tidal wave or something extreme, and nobody survives lol...I dont want any history after iam alive.

 

Masive volcano earthquake would be cooler...

 

i would love to have a meteorite crashing into the atlantic ocean, i would stand in awe and then run for my life lol

 

Naw man let the waves of destiny splash over you. Standing with my arms and legs spread screaming into the mass of water barrelling toward me, that would be the defining point in my life, when the very tip of my nose met with the greatest tidal wave you ever saw and slammed me, I'd surf that shit ha.

 

surfing would kinda be the same thing as diving right into it except trying to have better control for a few moments before being sucked into a vortex of water lol

 

Put in the simpliest of forms. Pure Beauty. Like a baby born new.

 

im at uni doin a few psychology subjects and its somthing else again to learn about some of the stuff they teach. being an acid tripper myself and goin to psychology subjects, i have learnt a great deal, it explains alot.

stuff like id, ego, superego. id-instinctive elements ego-consciousness . superego - a bit higher half conscious.

we enter a constant fight with our instincts, we are animals with instincts built in from thousands of years of living. we humans have so many problems these days because we fight our basic instint with social expectation.

lots of our problems if we have any, are from when we are kids.
theres the phallic stage, anal stage, blah blah. pubescent.
if u have problems, abuse, or u simply dont figure somthing out in the proper time frame when u are a kid, u will have unconcsiouss issues as to it later in life.
one example, pedaphiles. if u get sexually abused at age 5, the phaillic stage, u will "regress" , meaning that when u are older u will unconsciouslly want to fuck young children, because u have unconscouslly regressed back to ur first sexual experience, and u then find young children attractive.

the fact of merely becoming aware of a problem you have, can be the cure!
as u know this is why u go to a shrink. u talk about a problem, and u come to ur own conclusion and realisation. this in turn can fix ur issue or complex.

in the anal stage, u can get a complex about poo , pee and cleanliness. this can in turn result in you being a very cleanly person in life, a bit over the top?
or the oppostive if your a more messy person.

say u decide to hop up and have a cup of tea... by the time u decided to hop up, ur brain had already gone through the whole process and already made the decision, it was then sent to ur consciousness.

most of what we think is unconscouss thought.

acid blurs the boundry, schizophrenics dont have the boundry.
thus why after acid or lots of acid, u see patterns over stuff and u have heaps more deep thoughts, cause those thoughts are suposed to be subconscious thoughts. and lots more constant thoughts u cant stop, not a clear head.
the result is the more acid u do the more "crazy" u become.
and its just the same as how a schizophrenic is a schizo, from taking down that boundry.
this is just the begginging.

 

Eh I agree with some of that, disagree with a lot.
For example I've always pondered how fragile the human mind is, if you don't develop properly early your pretty fucked, but I think that is rooted with a lot of pressure in society of how we have social responsibilities and how others expect us to act regardless of who we truly are.
But with the acid vs. schizo thing I think people forget that there isn't one type of crazy, but instead many so saying doing acid is like being schizophrenic I believe is a very naive thought because acid is just another type of "crazy" if you will.

My opinion, I'm a pretty dumb kid but that's just how I see it.

 

dude
good post

 

such good posts archemetis, thank you so much

 

i think if ur crazy u just dont have ur head on straight. u might be talkin shit thats just to whacked to be on ground level, bipolar people do that. go on highs and talk whak shit.
then theres even more crazy
i cannot say acid didnt make me or my friends crazy.
we all know it made us crazy.
hearing voices? talking to myself? dissociation and being restrained? talking to my car, mistaking the year, saying fantasy things are real....
i had done all of those after dosing a bit of acid, i have no histroy of mental illness, and i am well grounded and sane now.
but acid fries ur mind, and makes u crazy. pretty fucking simple to see that. being in a fantasy world, is crazy.
if u have to dose acid really spread out and in low doses so you dont go crazy, than u know acid makes u go crazy.
fuckin hell it common sense.
call it what u will.

 

^ you just didn't understand or love yourself

all of what you talk about is mostly from a bad trip perspective, and bad people have bad trips. simple as that. I don't mean the stereotypical 'bad' either. bad people also misuse the substance, over do it, which also confirms what I am talking about.

much love to you though

let's talk about the intelligent people who've taken LSD and understood it's message, and who've gone on to live very successful fulfilling lives. what do you have to say for them?

 

It made me very introspective for a period of time...Shockingly introspective..DIdnt need such introspectivness at the period of time in my life..I do not regret it, its a part of me..Iam moving on...Ready for some good times

It made me more creative and more sketchy about my reality as in i enjoy drawing in my reality, maybe iam crazy, only time will tell, iam just going with the flow, the past does not bother me.

 

when i first started doing acid, i had done sooo much research. i thought it would be soooo amazing and just change my life in the most awsum way. the first few trips i did i put a great deal of expectation on the experience. in spiritial awareness and that type of thing. id have some amazing trips that would change my view on life.

after a while i didnt really care as much. the more u do it, the more u realise its just a drug. u have ur afterglow it wears off... whatever.. u realise it was just a big trip.
there has been a study that shows lsd does not make u any more creative after the fact.

then the acid just starts fucking u up and changing ur personality, making u real crazy oddball. it makes u up one minit and down the next. like ur on a constant trip.

i think acid is good but has not much real potential. which is the exact reason why it became illegalised after extensive research by many companies including the FBI, and the population of society.
LSD comes back as a drug that has no real benefit.

iv done heaps of acid, in good ways, had amazing times, a few bad ones. but after it all, all im left with is a bad memory, altered consciousness, crazy dreams, and up and down moods. i also take anti-depressants. i do have strong beleifs from it tho, that were just animals, there is no god, the bigger picture of the universe, and realising that life is to short to worry to much. meh my conclusion is acid is fuckin fucked at the time, crazy shit, but when u want to give up the drugs and continue on with life, get married or whatever, u have this constant altered consciounness or flashbacks, bad memory or somthing. pending how much acid u did. meh. if u just stuck to the clubbing scene did some pills, u would be better off afterwards. u get hooked on the acid i rekon u dont do as well.
i am at university trying hard, so im not too much of a loser. gonna be a cop.

 

Well from what I've observed in my insanely manic depressive bestfriend and seen in my bipolar mother and grandmother (although some would argue it's the same disease) are very different, very. I also (while visiting my friend in the hospitol many days of many weeks this summer) got to know a few schizos in there to (very cool people ironically) and I can say (from my observation) there are very keen differences between the two (or even three) although all would be considered by western society crazy. So this leads me to believe the way we experience the world on acid is different than that of a schizophrenic's everyday life.

Just my logic, as I said I'm still just a dumb kid and no psychologist so take what I say with however many grains of salt you wish.

Maybe some pepper too

 

I dont consider any of that something i realized after acid, i consider it something i discovered after smoking alot of pot...The light flashbacks whenever i concentrate i consider the acids fault but i actually enjoy it and dont even think about them so it doesnt even affect me anymore...i had very introspective dreams afterwards...Anti-depressants man?Id go with weed if its actually the way descreibed