Ok this question has to do a lot with the mind and technically in a sense how you perceive things. And I have two questions not just one. Okay so pain is a correspondent of the brain saying that something is wrong for example, you put your hand in a fire and it hurts telling you not to put your hand in the fire. With that being said could the brain then tell you if you were an avid user of lsd and had taken it one too many in messages from nerves that cause pain to stop taking lsd? For example you take lsd and you feel pain, not because you actually have any psychical problem but because your mind is telling you to cut it out before it turns into a problem? Is that possible? My second question is could you take lsd and fuck your nerves/brain up to the point where it is sending signals of pain when there really is no pain? I know lsd is a powerful drug and it can have positive affects on your mind and mental understanding of the world. So in a sense I am asking if lsd could fuck your brain up not in the sense that you are coo coo crazy but in the sense that you perceive pain that is not there months after the experience? Could the brain be stuck in a perception of pain that isn"t really there? And if so can you move on from this pain in time? Can you perceive things normally again and not feel pain? Is there a certain amount of time needed for the brain to heal itself or will the mind forever be lost in a false perception? This goes for both questions I ask. I would appreciate any feedback, but plz nothing in the sense of "taking more lsd could reverse what has happened" I just want to know if anyone has had an experience similar to what I am explaining and if there are any answers to the phenomenon if it is possible to occur in someone and it is not something else causing the person to feel what they do and not the lsd in any way. I know that lsd can cause cramps and what not so could a bad lsd trip make someone feel like they have a cramp that they usually have on lsd forever because of a problem in perception. Thanks for reading and thanks for the feedback
Interesting questions... First off, the sensation of physical pain is caused by pain receptors (nociceptors) that are located in the skin, muscles and some other areas which send pain signals to the brain, which in the instance of the hand in the fire makes you move it. I don't believe LSD interacts with nociceptors. I have not heard anything of habitual LSD users taking it so much that their brain relays pain from it or that consistent aversive physical responses occur, the intensity and tolerance of the drug prevent it from becoming an addictive drug for many, although with many drugs habitual users often report that the enjoyment of the experience diminishes overtime. I don't know of any data suggesting that LSD causes brain damage. As far as emotional pain goes, I think that is a more complicated phenomena and LSD certainly can elicit a wide array of emotional responses. I suspect LSD can bring some painful, unconscious emotional material to surface in the trip which if left unresolved could have a lasting painful emotional impact.
One question that always needs to be asked in these instances this day and age, are you certain it was/is LSD that has caused the issues? Unfortunately there are other substances that are often represented as LSD, yet are far more toxic, with all possible effects not fully explored or understood. LSD on the other hand has a very long history of use and is the most extensively studied psychedelic substance known with literally 100's of thousands of individuals who consumed it as part of clinical studies, not to mention the untold millions who have taken it clandestinely. If LSD caused anything like you mentioned, I guarantee, it would have already been discovered. Physiologically, LSD is pretty much one of the safest substances you can consume, safer than sugar. Having said that, I have experienced misplaced physical sensations while under the influence of LSD as well as other psychedelics. Physical sensations such as pain are also subject to synesthesia, so you may experience pain, yet it is being triggered by some other sensory input. But I have never heard of lasting effects such as it causing phantom pain like you describe.
Thanks for the replies guys. Well for the emotional aspect of lsd do you think it is possible to take lsd and have such am emotional experience on it that It could give you stress and then bring on pain or anxiety that brings on pain? And yes that is an excellent point, was it actually real lsd or something else? The way I look at it is that maybe it wasn"t but it only fucked up 1 person out of a handful of people. I"d think if it was real dangerous that it would"ve effected everyone involved in some sort of way. also leading me to believe it is a mental experience. For the neuropathy thing do you think it is possible that not the lsd could cause it but having intense thoughts while on the lsd sticking you into a permanent state of having pain that is not there brought on by a heavy Mental and emotional experience? Last question on my mind at the moment. Lsd is stored in your spine. Your spine is responsible for a lot of nerves and how they interact with the brain. This is why when you have a herniated disc in your spine you feel pain in areas that have no physical problem in them selves. So is it possible for repeated lsd use to damage your spine thus damaging your nerves permanently or temporary? Thanks and let Me know your thoughts on this
Absolutely, as with naturally occurring disorders as an example, PTSD comes to mind, there is a spectrum. The vast majority of LSD users come away from the experience mentally unscathed, even benefitted but there are the Syd Barretts (Pink Floyd) and Brian Wilsons (Beach Boys) of the world who went "coo coo crazy" demonstrating the potential for rapid mental deteoriation in LSD users that I suspect it likely that LSD potentially causes or exacerbates more nuanced trauma to those who are suceptible to or abuse it. LSD is not stored in your spine, however I get a sore back after LSD use sometimes so I can kind of relate with what you are saying. Data suggests LSD doesn't damage neurons but I don't think there has been any longitudinal studies carried out on the issue.
As stated before, LSD is THE most studied and researched psychedelic substance on the planet. IF any of the things you are asking about were the result of LSD use, it would already be documented, and such effects are not in any of the literature I have read, and I've read a lot of research literature relating to LSD...a lot. When you say it is stored in the spine, you are parroting urban myth which has been debunked about 50 years ago, and the LSD wasn't cut with speed either, I promise you. The back tension is a very well known and documented somatic effect of LSD, but it is not because it is stored in your spine, LSD isn't stored anywhere in the human body. and as GB states, LSD has been known to exacerbate underlying mental illness, yet I can't really recall any instances of LSD being the sole cause of a persons psychological deterioration after using it. Remember, I'm talking over the course of 60+ years of research involving countless thousands of subjects. In any follow up reports I have read, the vast majority of those who participated in the trials came away with an overall positive experience, even those individuals whom initially had a rough experience or "bad trip", reported that after reflection and integration of the experience, it stands as one of the most important and beneficial of their lives. Funny how that often can happen after a rough experience, if the time is taken to reflect and integrate the experience. Now if what you actually took was nBome or some other substance, than there is very little to no clinical research and certainly no long term trials/follow up, so unfortunately the current generation taking these RC's clandestinely are the lab rats, as any clinical studies on such substances have all but been completely halted. Proceed with caution.
can you describe the type of pain that you or whomever is experiencing? i have never had any long-lasting pain from LSD use. i have perceived pain from an uncomfortable situation, or pain that wasn't really there...but it generally didn't last longer than a few minutes during the trip. one time from blotter that i strongly believe was LSD, i experienced vasoconstriction that made my hand and foot feel tingly, and this lasted maybe up to a week after the trip. this was an isolated incident in probably over 100 blotters i've taken over the years, and vasoconstriction is much more common with NBOMe chemicals that are often misrepresented as LSD. they are not safe. i've also tripped on LSD while having a decent amount of pain. once when my hand was broken in a cast and just recently when i was freshly stung by 4 bees. the LSD didn't seem to make that pain any worse. and i do sometimes get a back ache or stomach cramp on the come-down. i figure the back ache is from over exerting myself for the past 10 hours.
The pain is like muscle tension and similar to a cramp. It is left chest pain and back pain. It happened after a day of TOUCH Football and tripping on what was presumed to be LSD. Now the reason it is noted thT it wasn"t a football injury is because of many doctors visits and other specialists. Orthopedics, psychical therapy, and a few tests couldn"t detect anything. Leading me to believe it is a mental problem and not to do with anything physical.
I dosed when it was "that time of the month" and it didn't enhance the cramping pain, but I was so much more aware of my discomfort that I decided I won't do it again. I've never felt pain like you describe. I do feel very confused about whether or not I need to pee though... Always. I think you've been given some solid advice, maybe you were on some of that 25i shit or something?? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I don't think the LSD itself would cause what you described in the first instance...however, it is possible if you possess subconscious feelings of fear, guilt, or any strong negative emotion related to taking the LSD, then I think it is possible to perceive "pain" associated with LSD. This would be psychological though, and based on your own feelings. I think it could happen with anything; any drug, or even another activity if you feel bad enough about it. The mind is a very powerful thing, not to be underestimated... As for the second question, I don't think LSD has lasting effects for most people. I mean, not the kind you're describing. But again, I think any perceived effects are more likely to be psychological in the case of LSD, and would depend more on the particular person than the actual LSD.
In summation, No, the physical pain you are experiencing is not/was not caused by LSD. You're over thinking it.
