LSD helped me quit pot

The Buddha says nothing of homosexuality. The Second Noble Truth teaches that the cause of suffering is craving or thirst (tanha). This doesn't mean cravings should be repressed or denied. Instead, in Buddhist practice we acknowledge our passions and learn to see they are empty, so they no longer control us. This is true for hate, greed and other emotions. Sexual desire is no different.


Do not indulge in sexual misconduct.
Buddha

 

yea it kills me when i meet drug addicts who have been clean for a while and they are like: i have been clean for 1 year 3 months 2 days 6 hours 37 minutes. their life is still ruled by drugs. i really just don't even know what to say to them. because i'd rather not force my spiritual dogma onto them, but they are just so lost!

 

Their life is ruled by addiction. Drugs are just something to be addicted to.

My former NA sponsor Tom Catton has been clean since October 20, 1971. He doesn't even eat sugar or coffee because of his addictive personality. He's actually in the NA recovery book. He says he will always be an addict. He helped me get off crack but he would frown on my other activities. But at least I haven't done crack for over 20 years thanks in part from his help. :cheers2:

 

I am a hardcore sugar addict. I wish there was an SA lol. I love caffiene alot but i don't think ive been addicted.

 

have you ever been an addict?

 

yeah desos that's some sexy ignorance mang. addiction is a mental "glitch" if you will, which is just as real as crippling depression or schizophrenia. It's not about being spiritually lost, it's more akin to not being able to stop biting your nails . . . its behavioural, hard-coded stuff.

 

i wasn't saying addiction is being spiritually lost. just pointing out the fact that their lives are still just as ruled by addiction as when they were taking drugs. they think that by abstaining from drugs things will become better, even though they are counting down the seconds since their last fix. this, is what i would charachterise as being lost. if they really want to be free from addiction, they need to learn to be free from the desire to use, not just the act of using. when your entire life revolves around the act of NOT using, it is almost as bad as your life revolving around the act of using -- your life is still ruled by addiction.

the idea of someone being an addict permenantly also kills me. there is nothing in this world that we cannot cure of our own will.

have i ever been an addict? i'm sure certain people would say so. but i personally don't believe in such black and white labeling. so no, i am not an addict.

 

I totally agree for the most part. But the problem with addicts is they can't use substances like drugs and alcohol in moderation. It's all or nuthin!

Hence my hiatus from weed. Which I'm going to start smoking again in less than a week. :sifone:

But this addict is going to try moderation. :smilielol5:

 

damn i wish i could find some lsd its been over 3 years

 

Yeah but you forget to mention meeting someone who was found after being lost..If you ever have.....I remember being on a train underground and some black dude, scruffy beard, kinda crack headish, began to sing amazing grace..Now this is me right after a major acid trip...I honestly wanted to cry the entire time...Instead i wait until my stop,got up and handed him whatever change i had..I know i gave him well over a dollar...If i could i would have given him a bear hug

Moral of story...BE NICE...Thats how i unleashed my spiritual dogma :cheers2:

 

But by stating that they are so lost you ARE forcing them into your spiritual dogma.
You do tend to be very dogmatic in your spiritual views. I've noticed that you work very hard to fit every person or situation into the framework of the universe that you personaly believe in. When they don't exactly fit you seem to hit a mental roadblock and fall back on some tired cliche to explain the situation such as "they need to learn to be free from the desire to use, not just the act of using."

Sometimes the wisest statement to make is "I don't know"

Keep in mind that ANY intepretation of the universe in tentative at best and always subject to change, whether it be religion or science.

 

hehe. i mean i guess by classifying them i am forcing my spiritual dogma onto them, but i really couldn't imagine things any other way. i am very confident and assured in my views, my faith is without question. what i meant was that i didn't directly challenge their beleifs or really bring anything contradictory up to what they believe. i think it's best sometimes to let people resolve their own issues. there is a hindu philosophy that it is better to allow people to continue on the path they are on rather than ripping the path out from under them. especially when they are showing promise and the issue is as touchy as addiction.

sure interpretations of the universe are subject to change, but there is only one fundamental truth. it is the interpretations of this truth that are subject to change, not the truth itself. i don't mean to fit everything into my personal belief system, it is just that my beliefs are very all-encompassing.

addiction, materialism, attachment, it's all the same: an archetypal struggle. one that we all must go through. i wasn't meaning that there is anything inherently wrong about being lost, just that it is an issue that needs to be resolved. like itsallgood said the state of being found after being lost is the ultimate goal of this kind of karma. strength through adversity.

 

^ Desos I'd go with not imposing your beliefs on others in the general public, like you have been, but maybe try to avoid classifying them in your mind as well. Really, it helps people more when they are surrounded with nonjudgmental people, society seems to be lacking that. I'd say not holding judgment for others is key really, respect people and their level of spirituality.

Love Thy neighbor, Love thy enemy. It really helps you to connect and understand other people. Some people are far out there, but accepting people as they are really can add a depth to your life, and maybe help aid the other in finding that depth in themselves. Treat and respect every one like a brother and life is a lot better.

 

i try not to let my views of people interfere with anything. i feel empathy for everyone and their positions, sometimes it is a little overwhelming actually. its not a 'oh you are this so i will treat you worse' kind of judgement. its more of getting an idea of where people are at so i can learn from them and help them. its something i need to be conscious of anyway, i guess.

i guess that hidden hand guy was right when he was talking about not helping people unless they are consciously seeking help. because unwanted help can just make things more confusing and difficult.

 

Yeah lol. It's tough sometimes. Once you start becoming aware of others suffering and how.. abundant it is (living in America I can tell you in my city it's rare to find somebody just going about with a genuine smile on their face), it's tough I guess lol. I feel bad myself at times, and I really wish I could help a lot of them. Wish things weren't so fucked with everybody in general. Wish I knew the magic words to cure this bullshit for others.

After psychedelics and diving into spiritual practices and everything else, stepping back now, i'm starting to notice more and more how even some of my best friends, and mostly family members, their lives are consumed with nonsense drama, conflicts.. problems. I guess looking past it helps. Finding a sense of humor when I'm around these people so I can provoke a chuckle and a smile, lol. Whatever helps. I offer solutions sometimes but it seems people don't like hearing that their problems can be easily solved.

 

there isn't enough rep in the world for you sw0o0sh :cheers2:

 

Thanks Glad you feel that. haha

 

unquestioning faith in ANYTHING is absurd

I hope you realize you're as much ruled by your spiritual belief system as the addict is by their addiction: probably more, as I'm sure the addict questions himself every once in a while

 

lol sw0o0sh, great sig.