Lsd change you forver

^not funny

 

Not saying its because of it but ever since you smoke that dmt you seem different, keeping with my themes in the thread, I think I'm going to start calling you samwise the stoned, Used sparingly of course.

 

lol, I'm just another failed seeker.

I think the worst danger of psychedelics is that they can be greatly confusing to people. Manson took advantage of this, as to many opthers of different scales.

I do like psychedelics, I think they have a notited value in socioty, and i personally enjoy them. But a confused person is very easy to manipulate.

And when confused people start thinking they understand things of grate scale... they just spread that confusion through ignoriance.

I don't claim to know or understand any of these grand scheme things... but I don't like fools who think they do leading the feeble and ignoriant down a path they wont be able to handel.

I think that is evil. FreshDacre is a victum of that evil in my eyes.

Evil does not mean evil intentions, some of the most terrible things ever done were done with the best intentions...

the point: I don't know and neither do you. But when someone gets sick they need help, not more sickness.

Edit: about fresh.. I seemed to forget which thread I was in.

 

I agree ignorant people with ideas too often spread them, but that's just it. Everyone has a different way of looking at things, especially important things. But there is no single right way, and I'm sick of and hate it how stubborn everyone is in themselves.

 

Funny? I'm serious!
I'm really concerned.

 

I think its getting slightly off topic but I want to respond to your post anyways.

What great scale are you referring too?

We actually have a pretty solid group of well informed people on this site. Collectively I see us have a pretty firm understanding of psychology, chemistry, philosophy, spirituality, psychedelic literature and general psychedelic information.

 

It's like some kind of hive mind.
"Come, join us. Join the collective. It's pure bliss."
:grouphug:

 

I too was concerned about this.

The truth is it will change you as an experience. Not chemically, not physiologically. It will change you like the birth of a child would change you, or reading a earth-moving book, or staring into space when, just for a moment, it all comes together. Do you understand what I mean? A trip around the world will 'change' you, as will taking a good dose of LSD.

There is nothing to worry about, I assure you.

I still played the game, got my degree, and now work for the man, with my long-term investment plan on its way, but now atleast, I keep the fact that it is 'just a game' in the back of my head

 

^ In most cases that is true, but it should be noted LSD very much can effect your brain chemistry, and significantly. It's how the brain works in a lot of ways, thought is guiding to the reality of your own brain. This power of LSD can be harnessed for amazing advancement of the soul, or the other way around.

There is not much to worry about, in lighter doses, and if you're mentally sound and firm, it will just be a cool experience.

But my mind is sensitive, raw, easily shaped by myself and the world. I can not too acid too much, and I have done just that this past summer, and the effect was definitely a felt change in the normal function of my mind, probably through a profound change in brain chemistry. Sometimes the holy ghost coming up on your back and manifesting you, causing the goosebumps, twitching, vulnerability is also a deep impact on you psychologically. Any experience can change you in similar ways, to be honest. I'm not sure how folks are so sure what they experienced is some kind of truth, everyone is different, you should get a feel for your own mind before taking a major psychedelic experience, and depending, it can totally have any effect.

 

Uhm, no it doesn't. LSD is physiologically one of the safest substances ever consumed by humans. Sugar does more harm. One beer does more damage to your nervous system than LSD.
Hoffman himself even said it appeared to to actually have a very brief and minimal effect on brain chemistry. That is one of the mystery's about just exactly how it functions.

 

Support yourself, my opinion is supported by countless people who were predisposed to psychological and mental illnesses, took LSD, and entered permanent schizophrenic states. It is also supported by people with depression who have been brought out of it by LSD. Things such as Depression, psychosis, and schizophrenia all the effects of the brain chemistry. It is also supported by own experiences with depression and what not. Brain chemistry is very much an integral part of all day to day thought patterns, also subjected to someone's choices. I don't know how the hell you are so stubborn in your belief in LSD not having the potential to have long term effects. proven silly by countless personal experiences and cases.

 

Also in your belief there is an assumption of a normal or standard functioning of a human brain, when actually everyone has a different physiological makeup. You may feel all bad ass having the perspective of complete control of a psychedelic experience and your own nature, but please don't be rude or inconsiderate of others who have had different experiences.

 

And perhaps there is a major factor of someone's own interpretation, it just clears the idea that LSD has a huge potential to invoke the exact type of experiences that have a profound effect on someone's mental processes.

Edited, the most detrimental experiences are extremely uncommon I believe though, and are reserved for people more than slightly predisposed to mental illness, it is only in those cases that effects are forver*.
However, I point to the experience of Terrence McKenna and his brother in their Amazon trip detailed in the book True Hallucinations, having consumed a potent mushroom native to the Amazon. His brother experienced a strange audio disturbance, that had thrown him into an extended period of psychosis, and inability to function and communicate as usual. It lasted quite awhile even after their return from the Amazon, but something he gradually came out of.

 

Well if I started to post all the links to research supporting the FACT that LSD is very safe and benign PHYSIOLOGICALLY, I would most likely get banned.
Go read the "debate" I had a year ago about this very subject if you are interested in getting facts supported by clinical studies rather than anecdotal stories or personal perceptions.
http://hubpages.com/hub/Medical-Studies-Prove-The-Extensive-Damage-LSD-Does-To-The-Body-Mind
I'm not going to go into depth here and now, I've already done my homework and go check my responses and supporting research in the above link if you want to see supporting documentation for the facts concerning LSD and harm.
Also if you have read much of my input regarding LSD and mental illness, than you would know I always tell people to stay away if they have any personal or familial history of mental illness.
Considering that the exact mechanism of schizophrenia and many other forms of mental illness remain largely a mystery, as well as the function of
LSD, it is still a guess at best to make a direct causal link between the two. But evidence does suggest a higher pre-disposition to bad, long term effects from psychedelics in those who have prior issues or are genetically pre-disposed to such illness.

 

Where am I coming off as all "bad-assed"?
I'm not being rude, just keeping the facts seperate from opinion.
It is a verified fact that LSD is one of the safest substances ever consumed by humans, I'm not making it up. Go research it yourself.
You may be surprised.

 

I'm not surprised for anyone to hold that true or that there is evidence supporting that, and I am also reluctant to come off as having the opinion that LSD is dangerous. But I wouldn't limit profound mental changes to those predisposed to mental illness, especially because of prior history of it in a genetic lineage, because the wide range of reactions are due to the wide range of physiological make ups that aren't necessarily weaknesses to be labeled by people like you who feel they aren't infected by such weaknesses. Also I supported the potential of a psychedelic experience to have positive effects on the brain. But yes there is a lot unknown about the working of the human brain, and now in the past two decades there have been extensive studies showing the likeliness of neuroplasticity, and if such concepts were quite credible in the actual functioning of a brain, then surely any kind of profound experience has the power to effect the physiology of the brain, even if not for an extended period. But again in my opinion, a permanent effect is reserved to those predisposed to sever mental disorders. Forever is kind of out of the question.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroplasticity

Edited also I apologize for labeling you as feeling badassed or anything of the like, but I just think there are too many people going around preaching things they can only verify through there own experiences, and in this case, the idea that an LSD experience has no potential for extended effects. My experiences suggest otherwise, and I don't mean that in a way that has been detrimental to my well being, but instead opening my mind to new realities.

 

Go read the above linked debate and my responses and explainations of the research and I'm sure you will have a much better understanding of my position on this subject.:2thumbsup:
I actually think I am one of the few here who is really nuetral and unbiased regarding drugs and really stick to the facts concerning them. Some substances I am very much opposed to, but that is based on the facts and reality of what they do. Anything that alters your consciousness should not be taken lightly, as I always stress concerning drug usage.
I thought that after 2+ years here regulars such as yourself would know that about me by now.

 

Whatever, I have heard you express that opinion before, but it's not like I remembered that when you straight denied the ability of LSD to affect brain chemistry. Directly, no I don't think the chemical LSD has a physiological effect like taking opiates does, but that doesn't rule out the ability of an LSD induced experience to have a profound effect in some manner or another.

 

did that hal asshole ever talk to the researcher and post his definitive bullshit?

 

Nope, just checked yesterday and it appears he never will. He has retired from writing on hubpages.
I'll miss him, you don't come across people THAT stupid and stubborn everyday.