I'm not sure i get what your saying. When it rains i still get wet, when i am pushed i still fall down. That is a given, that is just karma, hear on earth not even the buddha, the christ, the krishna, or any other guru are immune to that. I listen to the words of many wise people, i listen to all sides of everything, and then i reflect back those ideas that correspond with my own experience. I had such a vast experience my last few trips, im trying to piece it together, see if others had my experience, i'm just trying to prove their validity.
no you didn't get it. what i meant was, these incredible ideas you mentally fawn over are merely high-grade fodder for your pre-frontal cortex and other areas of the brain, they are not the actual thatness which you seek.
And in my darkest moment, fetal and weeping The moon tells me a secret, her confidant As full and bright as I am This light is not my own and A million light reflections pass over me The source is bright and endless She rescusitates the hopeless Without her we are lifeless satellites drifting they are mediums of experience. that doesn't make them artificial or any less valid than anything else. even the most far-out experiences serve some kind of purpose. there is more than most would believe. there is no end-point. hmm yea. but i'm still not sure what the meaning of us having intimate relationships is when put into the context of higher cosmic states of consciousness.
No, they are ideas. I'm not debating their authenticity, although in my opinion you should be doing this a LOT more in general. You seem like you just gobble up any quasi-spiritual crap that sounds like it half makes sense. What I am trying to point out to you is that this is just a bunch of guys like you who don't know anymore than anybody else writing about "cosmic consciousness" and "karmic energy" and what have you. It's fiction. It's not reality. The words you read about karma are just words that somebody wrote down, somebody like you, and sure enough, you read them, and think they are pointing to something in reality, even though you have not seen this thing in reality, but only in the book! You are staring at the finger! Staring with all your might! Researching different fingers! Trying to figure out which finger is "true" or "right"! What you really need to do is forget about fingers! Just look directly yourself. What is the context of a snail reproducing to my mother's hepatitis?
Here we are all arguing in a topic about love!! Haha, how awesome! psychedelics for the win!! ^^ Lmao, omg I couldn't agree with you any more. Seems to apply to a lot of the kids on these boards. It's all just bullshit in my book. Believing in karmic energy seems to be a nice way of making yourself feel guilty over every careless mistake you may just make. Didn't the buddha, or some other equally intelligent monk once say some along the lines of, act in Good and BAD karma? Or in otherwords, screw Karma? Don't worry about it? Buh Bye?
in buddhism you are supposed to escape karma, bad AND GOOD. That is "nirvana". Do you want the carrot or the whip? Buddha wants neither; this land is his and he does as he pleases.
Yeah but saying you have to escape from karma would assert it's reality and I don't buy that mumbo-jumbo to begin with, that's my nirvana. Not even having to worry about that bullshit, lmao
I have seen karma in the way it works. In my everyday waking life, not high, not tripping, not by studying scriptures. I have seen the mysterious ways those higher powers work, the synchronicitys, the way everything is effecting every thing else, the way people know each others thoughts and speak it a loud. All in everyday life. I notice everywhere, in everyday life. Its all causality, cause and effect, dualtiy. Transcend duality, and trancend karma. I was an atheisit when i reached nirvana, all i did was transcend self and lose desire.
i have no idea what duality, causality, karma, and coincidence have to do with each other. that post was just a fruit salad of terms that make me cringe. synchronicity and the interconnected nature of all things is not a sign of "mysterious higher powers", it is as inherent in the process of the universe as it is for water to be wet. you don't need all these big fancy words that point to all kinds of things you don't actually see, but just assume are there. All you need to do is look and see that there is no such thing as synchronicity in the sense that "sometimes things happen that can only be explained through a supernatural answer", but that the entire universe is one and thus what could not be "synchronised" with it? You don't need causality or duality. you just need to wake up, open your eyes, and realize that you are talking about the universe as though its a sci fi movie, rather than the organic thatness which it is. You don't even need to lose desire! Again, that is just something someone said. Do you think a lion has any desire? Yes? No? Does it matter? What is the lion's karma? 53? -18? Is it a dualistic mind? Does it think about right/wrong? so much chatter, your mind is your strongest organ. but sometimes you confuse it for your eyes.
That's true Writer. But let's not forget that these things exist for a reason. Everyone has to start somewhere, we are on the path that is leading us to where we already are. But it is the realization that "the path is not a path" that is important. And to accomplish this, you need some sort of structure. You can't just jump into the ocean before you've learned how to swim. Everyone needs some sort of conceptual framework to begin with. All of this, ultimately, will cease to be relevant, but it is this framework that provides the grounded-ness (which terminology is a bi-product of) that ever seeker initially needs in some form or another.
So the universe can only be explained in metaphorical poetry? It can't be explained with logic? Karma is cause and effect, causality is cause and effect, causality exists i don't know how it doesn't. You can't get rid of all desire, a plant desires water to grow, we desire for food to live, it just not being attached to that desire, desire to be natural and following, don't cling to the desires of such worldly things like money and material items, do not cling to old paradigms and burn out ideas, be flowing, ever growing.
this life and everything we experience is an idea. i'm not quite sure where you get off making such presumptions. the ways that i think now, the views that i hold, the person i am, is a product of the life i have had. how could they not be? just because i hold alot of spiritual views on life and like to actually understand things and give definition to that which implys definition does not mean that i gobble up quasi-spiritual crap that sounds like it half makes sense. you don't even know me, i'm not sure how you can say something like this. but if we are going to get into how much what i am saying is bullshit then how about what you are saying? what gives you the authority to discredit what i am saying and imply inscrutible accuracy to what you are saying? nothing. what gives me that authority? nothing. we are all in different places in life, with different karmas. we are going to hold different views relavent to our karma, just because someone has a different views it doesn't mean that it is wrong. it just means they have a different karma. rather than just saying 'nope sorry, your wrong' maybe you should take a little time to understand karma and the different points in karma in order to successfully integrate that which needs to be integrated and actually stimulate growth. if you had to ask me i would say you are stuck in the trap of premature enlightenment. you seem overwhelmed by your contentness with everything that is. the thing is that it is possible to be content and yet still be open to the outside world and growth. sure you should look inwards to solve your problems, but at a certain point you need to look outwards also; because we are all one. you can't just shut yourself off. imo it sounds like you have a deficiency in your brow chakra(Ajna). this resounds throughout your entire life, it has an effect on everything. these things are supernatural, in the sense that everything is beatiful. the entire world is supernatural. again, you fail to see that the organic thatness of which you speak is the exact same thing that is found through karma, synchronicity, and duality. the only way that unity can be brought about, is through duality. who is to say the he is confusing his mind with his eyes, and you aren't, or that i am not, for that matter? our mind and our perceptions are two different entities entirely.
yeah i just hope i can be part of the final boot in the butt that results in the "Oh!" moment but i think these two still have a long ways to go in the mazes of philosophy.
hmmmm, there is a division to be found because there are 2 authentic aproaches to spiritual growth. one is to accept everything as it is with a positve attitude and open heart. the other is to deny everything that is external to ones true nature. they amount to the same thing. to eliminate mental entanglements is to raise your spirit through clarity. but the same thing happens by accepting and loving all things without partiality toward any one thing. i believe it possible (and nessesary) to be concious of both attutudes. to hold nothing as sacred....and at the same time hold everything as sacred. i dont know...im kinda jaded in alot of ways. i dont have much respect for the zen type(i tend to think they're all fooling eachother with riddles, strange game), or the monks of the world. least no more respect than i have for the farmer. iv met alot of "holy men" and supposed "realized beings" in ashrams, only to find most of them concentrating on moral disapline without really making themselves virtuously usefull to their fellow human beings. (suprised by how guarded their hearts could be at times) i think its a childish attitude that trades religious devotion for psychological protection. (escapism (sp?) that said...i can still say i found some of these people to be pretty high. but never met anyone who has trully attained what i believe is our highest potential. ramble, ramble, ramble....i grow tired of the elusive metaphors. it dosent mean a damn thing anyway.
i you belive for one second that you'v already had your last "oh" moment...then your trully lost my freind edit: perhaps i read into your post too much....but if the shoe does fit...
