love is in everything. it is part of everyone, everyone is part of everyone, everyone is god, god is love. everything is love. love is everything. you've experienced love. its inside you and part of you and it is what holds everything in the universe together. if you've ever had your breath taken away by a beautiful sunset, that's love. if you've ever been struck speechless by a kind act, that's love. if you've ever sat down and meditated and felt that incredible oneness and peace with the universe, that is love. love is energy and energy makes up everything. love is great
I don't think I agree. Some people are raised poorly, and find no need for the emotional bond they've missed out on. That being said I doubt that applies in her case
But someone had to love her at some point to feed her, change her diaper, etc... otherwise she woulda ended up in a dumpster. You prolly have to be a parent to understand that one. :cheers2:
then maybe you are avoiding love because it requires surrender and vulnerability, 2 things which are vehemently opposed in western culture.
i can be a grammar nazi, but sometimes you have to read around it for context you can figure out dude
You're so right! This is the best thing I've read in a while. Love is certainly taught and immature, undeveloped and relatively simple when you're young. Then you develop emotions and mind and it gets a little more complex...impossible to understand sometimes and even frustrating. Then suddenly, one day it creeps up on you and hits you like a bag of bricks to the head the most beautiful, pure, deep, resounding, vibrationally glorious bag of bricks the world has ever seen! and the only way you can even think to describe it is like using the word "nice" to describe the most spiritual experience of your life, because no word or action would even come close to showing the world what it is you're feeling!
yeah love is amazing. glad this thread was posted in the lsd forums. lsd brought me and my girl closer together, i love her to death man
if anything, people who are raised poorly are more needy. when you don't have parents to support you, then that energy has to be transferred somewhere. my dad died when i was a kid and my mother is emotionally crippled and bipolar. some of my friends are practically like my family. that's a good way to put it. but sometimes it just feels like the bond formed is so strong and so deep that you are practically the same entity. how are you supposed to function, in only fractions of your real self? it just feels like to me that sometimes unconditional love and divine love just can't even come close to comparing to the connection between two people. maybe my energy centers are out of whack.
one thing that i find great about love is that when you shine brightly with all it's light, it will infect other people. it can cause a wave of awakening throughout reality, if you cause one.
What type of love? It takes many forms. The sensation of "falling in love" with another is so powerful because it is tied to the survival of the species. The following was copied from Wikipedia: Biological models of sex tend to view love as a mammalian drive, much like hunger or thirst. Helen Fisher, a leading expert in the topic of love, divides the experience of love into three partly overlapping stages: lust, attraction, and attachment. Lust exposes people to others; romantic attraction encourages people to focus their energy on mating; and attachment involves tolerating the spouse (or indeed the child) long enough to rear a child into infancy. Lust is the initial passionate sexual desire that promotes mating, and involves the increased release of chemicals such as testosterone and estrogen. These effects rarely last more than a few weeks or months. Attraction is the more individualized and romantic desire for a specific candidate for mating, which develops out of lust as commitment to an individual mate forms. Recent studies in neuroscience have indicated that as people fall in love, the brain consistently releases a certain set of chemicals, including pheromones, dopamine, norepinephrine, and serotonin, which act in a manner similar to amphetamines, stimulating the brain's pleasure center and leading to side effects such as increased heart rate, loss of appetite and sleep, and an intense feeling of excitement. Research has indicated that this stage generally lasts from one and a half to three years Since the lust and attraction stages are both considered temporary, a third stage is needed to account for long-term relationships. Attachment is the bonding that promotes relationships lasting for many years and even decades. Attachment is generally based on commitments such as marriage and children, or on mutual friendship based on things like shared interests. It has been linked to higher levels of the chemicals oxytocin and vasopressin to a greater degree than short-term relationships have. The protein molecule known as the nerve growth factor (NGF) has high levels when people first fall in love, but these return to previous levels after one year. Now that doesn't really cover the type of love being discussed here, but still worth noting for comparison. The concept of love I feel is best defined by the Greek definitions as follows: (again borrowed from Wikipedia fo simplicity) Greek distinguishes several different senses in which the word "love" is used. For example, Ancient Greek has the words philia, eros, agape, storge, and xenia. However, with Greek (as with many other languages), it has been historically difficult to separate the meanings of these words totally. At the same time, the Ancient Greek text of the Bible has examples of the verb agapo having the same meaning as phileo. Agape means love in modern-day Greek. The term s'agapo means I love you in Greek. The word agapo is the verb I love. It generally refers to a "pure," ideal type of love, rather than the physical attraction suggested by eros. However, there are some examples of agape used to mean the same as eros. It has also been translated as "love of the soul." Eros is passionate love, with sensual desire and longing. The Greek word erota means in love. Plato refined his own definition. Although eros is initially felt for a person, with contemplation it becomes an appreciation of the beauty within that person, or even becomes appreciation of beauty itself. Eros helps the soul recall knowledge of beauty and contributes to an understanding of spiritual truth. Lovers and philosophers are all inspired to seek truth by eros. Some translations list it as "love of the body." Philia a dispassionate virtuous love, was a concept developed by Aristotle. It includes loyalty to friends, family, and community, and requires virtue, equality, and familiarity. Philia is motivated by practical reasons; one or both of the parties benefit from the relationship. It can also mean "love of the mind." Storge is natural affection, like that felt by parents for offspring. Xenia hospitality, was an extremely important practice in Ancient Greece. It was an almost ritualized friendship formed between a host and his guest, who could previously have been strangers. The host fed and provided quarters for the guest, who was expected to repay only with gratitude. The type of love discussed here I feel could best be described by the following: Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, and always perseveres." (1 Cor. 13:4–7, NIV) It's not an all psychedelic, head in the clouds, everything is love type of feeling. Real Love is an action, a verb, it's where the rubber meets the road. It's what provides the motivation and intent to spur us into action. All those goose-bumpy, tingling feelings are great whether from falling in love with another or awakening to the spiritual Love of God (however you may view the concept), but if it doesn't prompt you to action and manifest in the smallest areas of your daily grind, what value are those experiences ultimately. It's really easy to "feel" love for everyone coming off a high, really hard to practice it in daily life. It's in the practicing of Love that it truelly is experienced and perfected in our beings. IMHO
Love, love is a verb Love is a doing word Fearless on my breath Gentle impulsion Shakes me, makes me lighter Fearless on my breath - The Kybalion i have always wondered though, are the primal instincts really all there is in the connection between two people? or is there a deeper, spiritual and divine aspect of it? i have always felt a distinction between this and divine and unconditional love, but can primal instincts really be all that it is? i mean, i can't just go around falling in love with anyone. there has to be some deeper, spiritual context. if we retain none of our egos in becoming unified with god, then i just don't see how such a spiritual context can be derived. in order for this to occur, our egos must be a definite, concrete, and permanant thing. so the question really is, are our egos really as impermanant as we think? just to clear up any confusion... i'm not talking about a love between two people in the context of karma and greater self-discovery. sure divinity could be seen in relationships in this way, but that really doesn't create a distinction between a relationship and anything else in life. i'm talking about something else.
I personally feel that in the grand scheme of things that yes there are those relationships in life that are needed in order to learn and grow spiritually, the individuals involved have things to learn from one another whether they consciously are aware of it or not. In that sense it could be considered a relationship rooted in a deeper more "spiritual" union. But conversely don't discount the power of a biochemical response to another person. Remember ALL that you experience in life IS perceived and filtered through your nervous system, discounting the powerful influences and ramifications of that would be like baking an apple pie without the apples. The overemphasis on EGO is a bit much in these groups, who says we don't retain our ego when merging with God? Do you or I ever really merge with God? Does God even really exist or is it all in our heads. Is God in us or is God "other than me" ? None of us truly know at this level of existence the answers to these questions. There is mounting evidence that such experiences are electrochemical in function and can be induced. http://www.bidstrup.com/mystic.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Persinger You should also start to check out the work by Charles T. Tart if you are not familiar with it already. Lots a very solid and respected science on altered states and such. http://www.paradigm-sys.com/ I may sound like a pessimist, I'm not, I just really strongly believe that we have to consider all parts of the equation to find the answers. Ego is not a bad thing to posses. I really believe that the term EGO gets thrown around and misrepresented and misinterpreted WAY to much in these forums.
The personals, not adult services! She should have a flat head, toothless and 3 feet tall! Good luck! :cheers2:
yea like i said that wasn't exactly what i was talking about. sure this is what the spiritual meaning is alot of the time, but other times... it feels like there is something more. is the something just our primal desires coming to the surface, or is there really more than we are noticing? this, is what i was really questioning. yea but that doesn't mean that somtimes it actually is used correctly what i meant was that our sense of identity and personality are often thought of as being completely disintegrated when ending the cycles of reincarnation upon reaching enlightenment and reaching god. but how can a relationship between two people really have any kind of deeper meaning if the 'two people' cease to exist seperately on this level?
Like I said, don't underestimate the power of our nervous system and biochemical endocrine system. Remember that as human beings with a highly developed neocortex those primal desires are filtered and interpreted by that highly developed neocortex, so often meaning and significance are applied to things that are quite simply the bio-electro-chemical functioning of our brain/body system. I know that tends to take the magic and mystery out of it, but that is the state of our existence at this point in our progressive evolution of mind and body. Did you check out those links regarding inducing mystical experiences, very eye opening in my opinion. I don't feel personally that it explains away the importance and power of those experiences, just shows the complex interplay of our physical/mental/spiritual existence. The way I understand it is that we don't totally lose our sense of uniqueness, but rather become fully aware of the Unity of all life and beings. Those are two completely different things. All the things that we use as markers to differentiate "I" (ego self) from not I (universal awareness or Cosmic Consciousness) fall away because they are no longer relevant. The need for an "ego" sense of identity is very important to function on a daily basis in the material realm which we exist in. But "losing" that sense of "I" does not necessitate losing all uniqueness. You should check the other link I posted of Charles Tart's work. It is very enlightening on this very topic of how different states of consciousness have developed in the human animal based on a need for survival. His work I feel is a MUST READ for anyone interested in altering their consciousness. Plus always keep in mind that NOBODY on this side of death knows for a certainty if any of this is real or just a product of our mind/brain structure/function. These dialogs with you Desos are rather refreshing, forcing me to put into written word my views causes me to reevaluate them. Keep up the good work. :cheers2:
Great reading also you two...desos and pb smith... :cheers2: both of you have posts with substance and worth reading not one line wonders! And for someone new to this forum pb you just plugged right in, huh? Keep up the verbiage!
