love 2c-i so much.

Yah these chemicals definitely effect individuals differently although occasionally some of them have effects that seem to effect many individuals in similar ways.

I find 2cp pretty boring for the most part. I found it a very sluggish, meandering trip that sort of never really reaches a defined peak. I find it emulates 2ce somewhat and the onset usually had a sense of like something big was about to happen but 2cp never reaches the depth of 2ce for me and it's got a fairly neutral headspace which lacks the flash of 2cb and 2ci. Perhaps if it was one of the first 2cx's I explored I'm thinking I might have enjoyed it more.

My last 2cp trip was pretty good though but this was after several explorations with it, I'd only use it as a combo drug in the unlikely event I were to run into it again in the future. It was funny there was like 3 months in a row where people gifted 2cp to me even after I expressed my distate with it. (often accompanied with other chems)


2ct2 and 2ct7 are great trips, I have much respect for them both.

 

what about combo trips?

i love 2c-i with ketamine. in fact i think it's my favourite combination in the whole wide world of drugs. perhaps maybe tied with mdma and ketamine.

2c-i and shrooms also go really well together.

oh and mj is included with those two. i rarely trip without it.

 

For me, after the sense that something big was going to happen, something big actually happened!

If I do try a little more 2c-i/2c-b dosing, what dosage/setting do you recommend?

 

My best 2ci trip has been at a concert with a few friends, as Superpsychme mentioned the music enhancement is pretty great and you can kind of direct the excess stimulation into dancing/moving to the music, it can make some very chatty too. I've enjoyed it at home listening to music as well.

2cb for me is best suited in an intimate environment, it's got some fairly good aphrodisiac qualities. As I said, I find it physically benign and I keep the dose within the 16-30 mgs range. I've called it the weekday psychedelic before kind of in jest, meaning it's not as mentally demanding as LSD or 2ce can be and not as physically draining as MDMA or 2ci can be. However I still find myself taking away important/meaningful lessons brought on by the trip.


Speaking of combos, I mixed 2ci and 2cp once. Pretty interesting, very stimulating, couldn't sit still for most of it but I felt the 2ci sort of filled in some of the lacking elements I find in the 2cp trip.

 

I might try a 2c-b in the dosage range of 30-35mg ish next time I dose. For me under 30mg was really underwhelming. It was fun and I certainly got that fluffliness vibe from it, but it felt like it was just a hint and my higher dose experiences got messed up. I'm thinking of dosing 30 or 35mg at the mountain (montreal's weekly outdoor chillfest, lots of good vibes), then working my way up to 40+mg in a more isolated environment.

And a 2c-i / 2c-p combo sounds like it could be pretty cool, but I would be really annoyed if I couldn't sit still on a psychedelic

To be honest, though, I've realy started to get into doing mescaline over synthetic phenethylamines. Like some of them have their special virtues, but the real mescaline experience really trumps any of its synthetic cousins. Have you ever done a 60g+ peruvian torch trip? (or equivalent)

 

e: doubleposted. My bad

 

I have explored San Pedro, it's one of my favorite trips. Nearly every experience I've had with it thus far has been healing or cleansing in some way, also the CEV's are among my favorite of psychedelics and have a grace that I find the 2cx's lack.

 

Mescaline = Love :sunny:

 

what do you consider a high dose of 2ce? the 60 mg range? 25 mg would be a high dose according to me

i have only tried 2ce and 2cb. t7 and t2 are somewhat interesting, but i've always steered clear of t7 due to the 3 deaths attributed to stupid nasal doses and combos. i would probably try any 2cx if i came across it, but i don't think i will search out ANY 2cx again. i have enough 2ce and 2cb to last me, and 2cp to give a try or two. i have 25 mg.

what was the big thing?

for 2cb, i think 35 mg sounds like a good choice. i first got 100 mg of 2cb given to me, it was admittedly old. 20 mg, and 30 mg the day after an acid trip (cross tolerance?) produced very little. a year or so later i got a new batch and started with 36 mg. it was perfect. 44 mg was also very enjoyable, but gave me more side effects. 30 mg was phenomenal when my fiance also dosed 20 mg. the first two times were solo trips. all of these were at my apt. and i went for a walk in the park. CANDLELIGHT is great. i bet it would be fun camping in the woods too. glowsticks?

 

since we've generated so much talk about 2cb, i'm gonna link to my trip report on my first real trip on 2cb, 36 mg.

http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=420920

there is a lot of discussion that follows.

and post 50 is my 2nd trial, 43.8 mg.
http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showpost.php?p=6786774&postcount=50

 

I would say that upwards of 40mg is high dose 2ce, 17-19 is my sweet spot for light dose and 25-35 is a nice mid range dose. I've never tried above 40 though and upwards of 30 is starting to get a little crazy --> the beginning is super fun but the dark part at the end is pretty intense. I like dark trips though. Anybody else notice that 2c-e starts out really happy and empathogenic, then gets dark and weird at the very end?

For the 2c-p, I would dose 12mg. I had a wonderful time on 12mg the only time I dosed it and I wouldn't really want to go too much higher than 13 or 14 & Anything less feels like it would have been really underwhelming.

And don't let the 2c-t-7 nasal thing scare you off. It's true that the freakishly high nasal bioavailiabilty/oral ratio is a bit weird, but just don't let that shit touch your nose. At an oral dose of 50mg, 2c-t-7 has brought me to some fantastic places. It's very similar to mescaline but with more visuals and not quite as much feeling of utter perfection and holiness. As close as you'll get to the real thing, though, in my experience.
Another friend got freaked out at 50mg, though, as she was really not preppared for the peak (she said that she could see nothing but patterns) and is a pretty light female. Her boyfriend took around 35mg, though, and had a fantastic time.

You want me to write up a TR now? I should be studying. But I'll consider it...

 

nah, you better study...:devil:

i would LOVE to have a real mescaline trip. i've tried twice with extract that was generously provided to me, but unfortunately didn't really work with me.

i would give t7 a try if i ever came across it, but i'm not really interested enough to pursue it. i'd be hesitant to jump right into a 50 mg dose as well.

what kind of timeline can i expect from 12 mg of 2cp?

 

Well the timeline is the interesting aspect of my 12mg trip. Turns out I'm writing out a short TR anyways

 

Dried San pedro cactus chips shouldn't be hard to find, well worth it :sunny:

 

OK so I wrote a long stream of consciousness TR. Not my best writing ever, but I always enjoy writing out the TR for a trip that really helped me out spiritually and psychologically like that one. if it's TL;DR, I summarized the timeline for you at the end. It's posted on this board

I used to always get dried peruvian torch chips shipped in, or at a local store, but everything's been getting stopped at the border lately. I managed to grap 120g of dried peruvian torch about a month ago and had a wonderful trip -- one of my best yet -- with a few buddies.

It's always hard to find mescaline in canada, but when I do, I find the best method by far has been:
-20-60gm peruvian torch dried chips
-grind with pestle+mortar
-mix powder with tiny amount of water
-eat bread/pastes/stuff with water/ginger ale chase
-lemon on the tongue for the tastes

I've had no nausea of any sort with this method, while the tea made me have to induce a purge.

What I'd really like to find, though, would be some real deal peyote buttons. Now THAT would be special.

 

2cI is one of the best for sure, Shulgins agree