And your take about science, logic and evolution?? :H Perhaps, someone can start a separate thread. This is beginning to look awkward to lump all under a Krishna thread. This thread can go on eternally so to speak. LOL.
I have expressed my abhorrence for heterosexual rape as well. I wish to express my loathing for all rapes, homosexual, heterosexual, paedophilia, and against animals as well.
karma is action... in an awakened or sleeping state, there is action in your krishna book, do not the gopas and gopis choose actions in their play with krishna?
for some it may have a deeper meaning, for others it may not... it has a deeper meaning for me and so i have patched this into my collaged reality two guys are hanging together and one shape shifts/cross dresses into a female and they have robust sex and you don't see a hint of homosexuality? yes, if we were lifelong strapping muscle bound warrior buddies agree, krishna demonstrated supreme compassion agree, krishna has demonstrated his divinity by having sex with a dear freind who shapeshifts into a female or he himself shapeshifts into a female and has sex with a man
there are quite a few "authorative" books... i was not there at the time and so i don't know how krishna was sitting or standing for arjuna to see what he saw ever wear one on a windy day? one of those "macho" men
from what i gather, india was more tolerant in the past but in today's world of rising fundementalism, not as tolerant ... here's a quick overview from wikipedia Contemporary Hindu society Sexuality is rarely discussed openly in contemporary Hindu society, and in modern India, sex between men has been illegal since it was made so under British rule in 1860. Homosexuality is largely a taboo subject — especially among the strongly religious. This is gradually changing, however. In a 2004 survey, most — though not all — swamis said they opposed the concept of a Hindu-sanctified gay marriage.[14] Some liberal Hindu reform movements, especially those in the West, publicly support social acceptance of lesbians and gays. Hijras, who are seen as a third gender, mostly live on the margins of society. They are comprised of what is known in the West as male-to-female transgenders and effeminate homosexuals. Homosexual men who are able to pass as ordinary males are typically pressured into hiding their sexual orientation and marrying women in modern Hindu society. Psychoanalyst Sudhir Kakar writes that Hindus are more accepting of "deviance or eccentricity" than are Westerners, who treat sexual variance as "anti-social or psychopathological, requiring 'correction' or 'cure'".[15] Hindus, he argues, believe instead that each individual must fulfil their personal destiny as they travel the path towards moksha (transcendence). The dynamic between homosexuals and Hindu Nationalism is a complex one. On one hand, Professor of women's studies and world religions Paola Bacchetta argues that "queerphobia is one of the pillars of Hindu nationalism".[16]. Deepa Mehta's 1996 film Fire, which depicts a romantic relationship between two Hindu women, was banned for "religious insensitivity"[17] after Hindutva groups attacked cinemas where it was being screened. Similar protests occurred in 2004 against the lesbian-themed film Girlfriend — even though the portrayal of lesbianism was this time distinctly unsympathetic.[18]. On the other hand, one of India's most prominent Gay activists, Ashok Row Kavi, has expressed some sympathy with the Hindutva movement, particularly when he condemned the lenient approach of the left-wing politicians towards Pakistan[19][20].This suggests a more complex dynamic between gays and Hindu Nationalists.In addition, Hindutva groups attacked screenings of "Fire" not because of the depiction of homosexuality but because it allegedly denigrated Hindu deities and depicted incestuous relationship.
next time you are at the bookstore, ask for the copy they keep underr the counter because you have not heard of something is no reason to discount someone's reality i think they regard themselves as krishna for the fun of it... try it sometime, krishna shapeshifted into mohini...
as draupadi was mentioned, here's a bit of her story her marriage to the pandava brothers takes place during their exile and to keep peace amongst her sons during this time, she often extolled them to share what they have obtained arjuna, encouraged by krishna, of whom he had the deepest love for, went to an archery competition in disquise held by maharaja drupada to win her daughter in marriage the criterion was most difficult as the archer had to look into a pool of water and by its reflection, hit a fish suspended on a wheel that was spinning (peta activists demonstrated at this event for the cruelty to the fish) all the archers were frustrated angry in their attempts and most so karna, the half brother and fierce competitor to arjuna arjuna hit the target and upon returning to the hut where his mother, queen kunti was staying, before entering the hut exclaimed, "look mother what i have won" queen kunti, replied before seeing what he had won, draupadi, "whatever you have won, you must share with your brothers" and thus the unique dharmic marriage of draupadi marrying the pandava brothers she was swarthy black and glowed and so was also known as "krishna"... when her father maharaja drupada was looking for a suitable match for his daughter, originally sought out krishna but when krishna found out she was also known as "krishna", said "how can we be married if we have the same name?" he further tells draupadi, "i already have thousands of wives... do you want just to be another wife?" draupadi is a fond mentor of mine as well as to millions of the faithful
*coughs chocolate milk onto computer screen* the gay community will agree with you on this the world has beat you to the punch, it is
Does that count as gay sex? If one of the partners turned into the opposite sex? I thought gay meant same sex relations....transexuals who have had a sex change for example - are they 'gay'? That would figure...the usual reactionary story of a traditional culture under 'threat' from modern ideas and values.
You are free to believe whatever you want , just as we are free to refute your statements. Well, I thought that Arjuna became a female, and not just cross dresses into a female. If sex with a female is not heterosexual , I don' t know what it is. Well, if you change into a female, you wouldn't be a muscle bound warrior , pal. Is this so hard to understand ? According to Osho (Krishna: the man and his philosophy ), Krishna does the same thing to a woman called Poona( cant recollect the name), and who was quite ugly and undesirable. When she requested Krishna to satisfy her, he granted her request. Both Arjuni and Poona were made loved , feminine and satisfied by Krishna, in response to their request .
And may I know which are the "authoritative books, other than the Bhagavad Gita, the Mahabharatha, and the Srimad Bhagavatam. Well, you don't have to see the sun 50 centuries back to see if it is different from the sun that is existing now . Yes, and I and others looked very sexy as well,with exposed legs, but even then our penis were not bared. Unlike you , I guess.
There are gays and lesbians and bisexuals in India as well, and they have no problems whatsoever. Recently there was a lesbian wedding in bangalore, i recall. Sometimes they are the butt of jokes by youngsters, but no more than that. They have never been beaten up or harrassed.
Trust me, there is no such book 'under the counter.' And why not, if it had really happened, it would have been in the mahabharatha and the Srimad Bhagavatam. Also you only need a logical mind to see the absurdity of this. According to you, Krishna married Arvan as Mohini, and after his death in t...[/QUOTE]the war started wearing mourning robes. According to the mahabharatha, Krishna was highly active in the war every day and night, discussing military details, strategies and tactics, and boosting the morale of Arjuna and the soldiers. He has never been described as wearing mourning robes and being despondent whatsoever. In fact he always sported a smile and was upbeat and pumped up . His dress,armour,and its details are also described in the Mahabharatha during the war, and there is no mention of mourning robes of a widow, which is a white sari. Mohini is an incarnation of Vishnu, and when he became Mohini, she is pure female, and not a hijra.
I assure you Krishna is not one to reject a woman just because she is also known as Krishnaa. And it is not strictly the same name because Draupadi has the name Krishnaa, an additional a in the end. Also Krishna could have called her by Draupadi as well, which was her common name. The thing is, he did not participate in the contest along with his brother Balarama, and he was just an observer. And what do you mean by that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
well, if you don't want to be cured of your homosexuality, no problem with us.You are free to do whatever you want. Yes, I know. Well,if you mean to say that such a term exists, I have no problem with that.
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