LOOSE CHANGE: New 9/11 documentary receives media coverage

Stop the presses, a Brit who fails to recognise sarcasm. And I thought that was the typical indictment by Brits against Americans.

You've restated my point exactly matt, Gavin Esler and his paltry article do not constitute any significant refutation of the body of exhaustively compiled holes in the coverstory to which you, like so many who refuse to examine the interconnectedness of all related aspects surrounding 911 and its intended consequences, have so subconsciously fallen victim.

If by "that link" you mean the last of those provided, then you've once again failed miserably to grasp the point I was making (and indeed just reiterated above). The article linked to concerns the power of repeat media-assisted assertion, without evidence (and indeed decrying any who press for evidentiary substantiation of those "official" explanations as "conspiracy nutters" or at worst "terrorist sympathisers", as has been the case wherever the "suit and tie brigade" have been cornered to answer for all the exposed weaknesses of the "official line") to create mass paradigms of thought through which all subsequent intended policy actions can be justified.

The ideologues behind this new smokescreen are those same whose careers were built on exploitation of the former "Cold War" paradigm (false as it was on so many levels) and who (again in the PNAC's own policy manifesto) realised that the pursuit of their militant objectives necessitated an equally sweeping, if not more so, paradigm of thought to underpin a "war which will not end in our lifetimes".

Nothing less than an event the magnitude of a direct and devastatingly mass murderous act as 911 could reap such a bonanza of easily exploitable ongoing fear for the astronomical escalation of military expenditure and exercise of that might against the strategic objectives long sought by the PNAC cabal (the purpose for the first two links I provided to you above).

Perhaps if took time to really comrepehend the ideology prevailing in Washington and its long sought aims, so much of what has been presented in this video and other previous research previously dismissed by you in such offhanded fashion.

 

That video was incredible, thanks a lot for posting it. It makes a lot of sense but the part I dont understand is why the US government would attack it's own people?

 

Because:

1. There is no boogeyman "Al Qaeda" enemy capable of perpetrating such a militarily precise and complex multiple attack on US soil.

2. The agenda prepared for enactment in response to that traumatic event, (i.e. the unilateralist exercise of US military might against sovereign nations which had not threatened nor attacked us but which had been identified by the PNAC ideologues driving this admins ascent to power and its policy prerogatives as key strategic targets necessary for maintaining US global hegemonic supremacy (economically and militarily) as we enter the age of energy uncertainty) would not be so easily put into action without the "common external threat" syndrome so easily and repeatedly relied upon by our leaders to renew, through fear, sufficient public support for this ever evolving WoT (first "War on Terror", now subtly altered to the "War on Tyranny").

and

3. Those benefitting most from the new paradigm, namely the Financial, Energy and Military industrial concerns are far more the constituent interests represented by these present leaders than the faceless American public whom they pretend to serve. Its a typical case of Cost/Benefit analysis which determined that the resulting gains in global control and wealth extortion outweighed the sacrifice of a few thousand expendable sheep.

This is corporatocracy going for broke as our energy future enters its most precarious phase.

Edited to add: Let us also be clear that the "US Government" (as general terms go) was not a necessary party to the events. Only a select cabal within the larger governing body (and more rightly those strategically placed within the Executive Branch, Intelligence Community and Military establishment) was required to set up the bait and switch activities of the day.

All other parties who may have had some minor role would have been merely acting on orders pertinent to their specific stations without any necessary knowledge of the larger scheme they were directly or indirectly aiding and abetting.

 

LICK is pretty much right on the money, though I would disagree with him on some things, such as the so-called "energy crisis" (which I believe is nothing more than artificial scarcity being pushed by the big oil companies and their interlocking elite) and "U.S. hegemonic supremecy." (I believe the goal is to ultimately bankrupt and destroy America from within and install a world government headed by the U.N.. The U.S. is merely a vehicle in aiding this goal and is entirely expendable by those in control over it.)

But that's besides the point.

Also, it needs to be mentioned that the attacks were also used to condition the masses into accepting an ever-increasing police state. We are entering a real live version of Orwell's '1984', except this will be on a global scale. This track and control system is not only being set up in the U.S., but across all of the western world. This is because the Global Elite exercise control over all these countries and have the same plans in store for them all.

 

Pretty compelling movie

Unfortunately, the surveilence tapes of the Pentagon 'crash' will probably never be made public.

 

I never realised you had a sense of humour..and could do ''sarcasm''.. i'll remember that in future. i only posted the link because i liked the quote..and wanted to give the source.

I did say the link was devoid of most of what was within the documentary... it was another point of view ..not a definitive point of view.

Why can't you cope with another point of view.. instead of questioning what i had wrote and the 'claims' the documentary made [and i attempted to explain].. you instead churn out your usual high and mighty pov.. thinking it is correct and anything to the contary..is well..rubbish.

The 9/11 documentary was piss poor... 3/4s given to the Pentagon crash and the rest to the towers..I commented on the towers segment because we would be here all year going through the pentagon segment AGAIN. If you think a few people shouting 'explosion' and the laughable notion that the quotes about 'explosions' constitutes 'testimony' then all this rhetoric you churn out towards me is misplaced.
Your refusal to allow a alternate pov in ..is shocking .

Like i said if somebady had said ''this is like a sci fi film'' does this mean aliens crashed into the towers NO.. re-read what i said and if you wish comment on what i said .. rather than giving your bog standard retort . I have heard it too many times.

And i did ask ''did you watch the documentary'' clearly the answer is NO.. so most of what you posted about it is lacking in any substance.

 

Where the Hell Is YOUR Proof?
Jesse, Editor - TvNewsLIES.org - October 2005

THE BACKGROUND

To this day, there has been no independent official inquiry into the attacks of September 11, 2001. The Kean Commission, with which most Americans are familiar, was based on the Bush/PNAC version of events. It was charged with probing the breakdown of intelligence prior to the attacks and making suggestions for improving communications among the competing agencies involved. The Commission, formed after more than a year of opposition by the Bush administration, did not…repeat...did NOT…investigate or report about the causes of the attacks.

Far more important – to this day there has not been a single piece of evidence presented to the public that corroborates the official government version of the most devastating attack in our history. Think about that. For more than four years, scores of credible experts have challenged the explanations offered by the Bush administration, and yet not a shred of evidence has been offered by the US government to support the official version of events they claim took place on that day.

Even more absurd is that fact that not a single official inquiry has attempted to respond to, discredit, or refute the questions that have been raised. On the contrary, both the American government and the complicit media have dealt with the every single challenge to the 9/11 explanations in two ways. They either totally ignore them or dismiss them out of hand as ridiculous conspiracy theories. Most of the well-researched and revealing findings by independent investigators are unknown to the vast majority of Americans.

THE BELIEVERS

Time and time again, when I come across close-minded Bush supporters, I witness the effects of an unexplainable phenomenon: a highly dangerous variation of HIV – a condition I call the Hypocrisy & Illogic Virus. Strangely, the most severe symptoms of this condition seem to manifest themselves during any and all discussions of the events of 9/11,

The disease is easily diagnosed by the appearance of two disabling features: the need to approach all issues of national importance with an air of shameful hypocrisy, and the absolute inability to use any form of logic during discussions of such matters

Collectively, people afflicted with this disorder approach 9/11 as one person. They all blindly believe what they have been told by their government. They all adamantly refuse to listen to any questions that have been raised about inconsistencies in the official version that simply don’t make sense. And if they engage in any dispute about these discrepancies, their arguments are illogical to an extreme, and they are simply unable to follow any rational argument to its conclusion.

The sad reality is that there is no way to convince these brain-washed believers that there may be something more to the story of 9/11 than what they have been told. That’s not too surprising, since most of these people still buy into the Bush/PNAC reasons for invading Iraq. They blindly accept whatever they are told and close their minds tightly to any other information, no matter how factual. They cannot be reached. There is simply no way. The disease is far too endemic to treat with any ordinary approach. They believe as they do, and that’s all there is to it.

So, let’s turn the tables and put the burden of proof on them!!!

I believe that I, and every single person involved in the independent 9/11 research community must ask one question of the people who still believe the official 9/11 story. We must demand that those who accept the Bush/PNAC explanation of the events of that terrible day answer a single question:

“WHERE THE HELL IS YOUR PROOF?”

You claim that the President and his handlers have told you the truth. You refuse to consider the information we show you that punches huge holes into the official version. You refuse to check out the information for yourself. You tell us what we have uncovered is false. Okay, we’ll buy that, we’ll concede that you’re right...and that all of us are wrong.

In fact, we’ll take it all back and admit the errors of our ways IF you do something first. Show us YOUR proof. Tell us why we should believe the story you have swallowed, and show us what you have to back up your claims! You’d better have something more than a borrowed smirk when you tell us we’re way out in left field. You better be ready to answer just one simple question:

Where the Hell is YOUR proof, true believers? Where the Hell is it?

THE BATTLE

I’m not sure why the independent research community has not yet taken this approach. Why does the burden of proof always fall on the researchers when the evidence they present is ignored? Why is it their burden to convince the non believers that there are legitimate questions about 9/11 that remain unanswered and hard evidence that we’ve all been fooled, big time?

The facts about 9/11 that has been uncovered are dismissed by people who apply unbelievably skewed logic to their opposing argument. They believe a story when the only proof they use to validate the story is the story itself. That’s it! All they know is what they have been told. News reports, video, witnesses, whistle blowers, their own eyes and even common sense contradict their beliefs. Still, these people continue to accuse the researchers of being either crazy or traitorous. What kind of convoluted reasoning has infected such a large segment of the nation?

This is a battle for truth. It’s not a debate over conflicting philosophies. It is a battle between those who are searching for facts and those who choose to deny that a search is necessary. How long do those in blinders have to be engulfed in flames before they believe an independent researcher who warns them of the increasing heat?

The level of denial and resistance can only be explained by understanding a very basic human response: sometimes truth is too painful for people to deal with. In this case, the perpetrators of 9/11 understood that most Americans could not permit themselves to consider the involvement of people within their own government in the dastardly attacks of that day. They could never allow themselves to even consider such a possibility, even though people within the administration had openly professed that just such an event would benefit their cause!

Those responsible for the tragedy clearly understood this aspect of human psychology. That is why they can hide in plain sight without fear of discovery, regardless of how much new evidence is uncovered, and regardless of how many legitimate questions are raised about their connection to the attacks.

As a result, the only effective battle cry at this point must be: Where the Hell is YOUR proof?

I take part in or observe countless discussions on 9/11; often in Internet forums. I read the posts and hear the responses of thousands of people who have not spent five minutes looking at the four years of evidence that has been uncovered by independent researchers. Amazingly, the same people feel fully qualified to dismiss new evidence with an insult or to present their own un-researched, amateurish conclusions. They know nothing about any information that might have been revealed while their heads were buried in the black hole of the mainstream media. But they constantly and vehemently insist that they do.

Without requiring a thimbleful of supportive evidence, these people continue to accept the official story of 9/11. That hypocrisy simply has to end just as our silence in the presence of that hypocrisy has to end. And it has to end now.

THE BLINDED

The ball now must be thrown to the nay sayers, the folks in blinders who believe everything they are told by the WH and its media mouthpieces. They must be held accountable for their unfounded beliefs by challenging them for convincing proof that we are wrong. There is no room here for even a fraction of the challenges that should be made. Still, we have to start somewhere, so let’s at least call for responses from the politically blinded to what follows:

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Where the HELL is YOUR proof that PNAC’s call for a ‘catastrophic and catalyzing event like a new Pearl Harbor’ was only an unbelievably astounding and timely coincidence rather than a statement that should have raised reasonable suspicion?

In the late 1990’s members of the Project for a New American Century wrote a treatise in which they foresaw a strategic “transformation” of the U.S. military into an imperialistic force of global domination that would require a huge increase in defense spending. “The process of transformation,” the plan said, “is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event—like a new Pearl Harbor.” The members of this group, known as PNAC, were appointed to many high level positions in the new Bush administration. Only months after they came to power, the United States experienced a new Pearl Harbor. That has never been publicized or explained as anything other than mere coincidence.

* Where the HELL is YOUR proof that Al Qaeda actually planned and carried out the attacks of 9/11?

In 4 years I have not seen a single bit of proof that Al Qaeda was involved in those events. I have seen some snap shots of Arab men at an airport. I was told a slew of things about these men. I was told that the passport of one of the alleged hijackers miraculously floated to the surface of the rubble, unscathed by the heat that had obliterated thousands. I was told way too much about these men for me to believe that the story was not prepared in advance. Two days was not sufficient time for that kind of information to be uncovered and declassified by our government. Not only did that reek of black ops, but to this day almost nothing of what we were told about he nineteen hijackers has been verified. The tape of Osama bin Laden shown by the government raised questions about the actual identity of the man in the film. As a matter of fact, I watched the so-called confession I with a person whose native is Arabic. He told me that the English translation was misleading. While he rejoiced at their success, nowhere in the tape did Osama admit involvement in the attacks!

* Where the HELL is YOUR proof that Dick Cheney was NOT conducting drills on 9/11 that paralyzed Air Force responses to the real attacks?

There is irrefutable evidence that Dick Cheney was running a completely separate chain of Command & Control via the Secret Service on the morning of 9/11, assuring the paralysis of Air Force and its ability to intercept the hijacked planes. The Secret Service has the technology to see the same radar screens the FAA sees in real time. They also have the legal authority and technological capability to take supreme command in cases of national emergency. In fact, Dick Cheney was the acting Commander in Chief on 9/11. When publicly asked about the exercises, that involved simulated attacks by hijacked planes against the WTC, Cheney refused to comment, claiming the information was classified.

* Where the HELL is YOUR proof that Tower 7 collapsed as a result of the attacks?

I have not seen even a single computer model explanation as to how or why Building 7 collapsed in the exact same manner as the two Towers that were hit by airplanes. As a matter of fact Building 7, which sustained no impact at all, was not mentioned in the Kean Commission report at all. The FEMA report of the collapse remains inconclusive, unable to offer a reasonable explanation for the collapse. Larry Silverstein, owner of the complex publicly claimed he gave permission for Tower 7 to be ‘pulled,’ a fire department term for demolished. Demolition of such a building would have required weeks, if not months of preparation. No explanation has ever been given for this baffling anomaly.

* Where the HELL is YOUR proof that ‘put’ orders placed on the two Airlines involved in the attacks were mere coincidence?

I have never seen the names of the people who placed those orders. I don’t know that their identities have been uncovered of if they have been questioned. I have not seen anyone vindicated of any foreknowledge of 9/11 after making investments that would only pay off if the specific airlines involved were to experience a drop in stock prices.

* Where the HELL is YOUR proof that Porter Goss knew nothing about $100,000 that was wired to Mohammed Atta?

I cannot fathom why the person who was sitting with Porter Goss (our current CIA Director) on the morning of 9/11, and who had wired Mohammed Atta $100,000 just prior to the event, was never investigated. This could be the smoking gun of smoking guns (if you believe that Atta was involved) that has been covered up from the start.

* Where the Hell is YOUR proof that Donald Rumsfeld did not organize an illegal military group that would “provoke terrorist attacks which would then require ‘"counter-attack" by the United States?

Here’s what I know: In the Los Angeles Times, military analyst William Arkin described a secret army set up by Donald Rumsfeld, similar to those run by Richard Nixon and Henry Kissinger and which Congress outlawed. This "super-intelligence support activity" was designed to bring together the "CIA and military covert action, information warfare, and deception". According to a classified document prepared for Rumsfeld, the new organization was known as the Proactive Pre-emptive Operations Group, or P2OG. It was formed to provoke terrorist attacks which would then require "counter-attack" by the United States on countries "harboring the terrorists". Doesn’t that sound exactly like what happened on 9/11?

That’s all I have room for, so I’ll sit back and wait for someone to send me some proof, assuming that a single person out there knows where the Hell it is.

THE BOTTOM LINE

The bottom line is simple: I have not seen anything at all that makes me believe the official story of 9/11, which, when considered on its own merits, is so implausible as to be considered a bad joke. Anyone who reads David Ray Griffin’s book, The 9/11 Commission Report Omissions and Distortions, needs to go no further than the first chapter before this becomes crystal clear. At that point it becomes very difficult to decide whether to laugh at the ridiculous nature of the official story or to scream with disbelief that the American public still buys into it.

So, once again, I ask the people who refuse to explore the findings of the independent research community, - the only real investigation into the events of September 11th 2001 - where the Hell is YOUR proof?

To those of you who will try to discredit and ridicule this article on forums or in calls to right wing radio, I say this: Research the events of 9/11 in depth, come up with YOUR proof that the official version is credible, or just shut up!

You have a helluva lot of research to do before you are qualified to intelligently debate the events of 9/11 with anyone who has spent more than four years in the independent research effort. Don’t bother to cite official sources to back up your points, since most of them have been debunked. Try to understand that you can not use the authors of the official version to support their own validity. It’s a dumb tactic.

The researchers have done a great deal of valid work. They have been trying to attract your attention so that you can examine it for yourself. They are not asking you to take their word for anything…they just want you to look at and think about what has been uncovered. Do it for your own good, not theirs. Stop arguing against their credibility until you have seen what they have seen, and until you know what they know. Do some homework, then come and talk, but be prepared to show us where the Hell you found YOUR proof, and why we should believe you.

Once again, keep in mind that THE KEAN COMMISSION DID NOT CONDUCT AN INVESTIGATION INTO 9/11! It was not their assignment! They were tasked with making recommendations to improve national security based on the official story. They were not asked to find out what happened. They went in with an official account of the events, and were asked to make their recommendations based on what the Bush/PNAC administration wanted the public to believe happened on that day.

Independent researchers are the only people who have investigated the events of 9/11. They have uncovered and presented mountains of evidence that totally expose the official account for what it is; a cover-up, nothing more.

If anyone takes the time to really examine that evidence - and I repeat - evidence, he or she will find something very disturbing yet highly probable. The material that has been amassed strongly suggests complicity in the events of 9/11 by rogue elements within American and foreign governments. But the evidence does NOT point directly to a government conspiracy.

It does however, point to direct involvement by several key members of the Bush/PNAC administration, acting on their own, outside the rule of law, without participation in any mysterious governmental conspiracy. Their motives have been clearly established and published by the culprits themselves and evidence of their involvement has been clearly established by independent research.

There is nothing more to be said. The information is out there for the taking. The books have been written, the speeches have been made, the documents have been posted, the documentaries have been produced and the truth has been told. That is as far as anyone doing independent research can go. All that remains is for the believers to respond.

So bring ‘em on! Let’s see if those who swear to the lies they have been told can convince anyone, even themselves that the official version of 9/11 explains to the nation and the world what really happened on that day.

So, where the Hell is YOUR proof, true believers? We’re all waiting to see.

http://tvnewslies.org/html/where_the_hell_is_your_9_11_pr.html

 

Well again nothing but further display that you never actually respond to the underlying paradigm of thought into which this video and other exposes of the actualities of the day fit together, matt. The answer to your question is yes, btw.

Having already attempted to present such evidentiary material to you with more disparate citations, all to the same typical non-interested and intellectually dishonest responses as you show here, I saw no point in revisiting those particular points. Clearly, like most armchair deniars, you demand evidence of the glaring holes in the coverstory and then turn away from it whenever provided.

Conclusion: you don't want to comprehend the shocking truth that the WoT and 911 upon which it was launched is far more plausibly the most atrocious act of treasonous mass murder ever perpetrated upon the US (and subsequently adopted as a efficient paradigm of political tyranny by client and partner states around the globe). Cold War II enacted without any legitimate and thorough investigation.

Those killed on that day remain denied of true justice to this day.

 

Time and time again, when I come across close-minded conspirators , I witness the effects of an unexplainable phenomenon: a highly dangerous variation of HIV – a condition I call the Hypocrisy & Illogic Virus. Strangely, the most severe symptoms of this condition seem to manifest themselves during any and all discussions of the events of 9/11,

The disease is easily diagnosed by the appearance of two disabling features: the need to approach all issues of national importance with an air of shameful hypocrisy, and the absolute inability to use any form of logic during discussions of such matters

Collectively, people afflicted with this disorder approach 9/11 as one person. They all blindly believe what they have been told by Rense/Alex Jones. They all adamantly refuse to listen to any questions that have been raised about inconsistencies in the conspiracy that simply don’t make sense. And if they engage in any dispute about these discrepancies, their arguments are illogical to an extreme, and they are simply unable to follow any rational argument to its conclusion.

The sad reality is that there is no way to convince these brain-washed believers that there may be something more to the story of 9/11 than what they have been told. That’s not too surprising, since most of these people still buy into the the conspiracy [formulated at about 11am on 9/11] . They blindly accept whatever they are told and close their minds tightly to any other information, no matter how factual. They cannot be reached. There is simply no way. The disease is far too endemic to treat with any ordinary approach. They believe as they do, and that’s all there is to it.

You claim that you speak the truth. You refuse to consider the information we show you that punches huge holes into the your version. You refuse to check out the information for yourself. You tell us what we have uncovered is false.

Look me in the eye and tell me you think the 'testimony' about 'explosions' [in the video] should be given any merit .. a small but vital point imho.

This has been gone over and over and over .. PROOf has been posted as you wish over and over and over.. ALL dismissed ... only a small minority have the humilty to admit if they are wrong .. go search previous threads..you will see.

I don't claim to be right..it is merely my POV.. ..

 

You should have made the video..

I applaud you in trying to make this piece of tosh seem like a great piece of documentary making
I was responding to the content of the video given... how does it make the actualities fit together ?... the towers segment is nothing more than 'screams and shouts' as 'testimony' and oh a rocket was launched... because do you see that bit of shadow..it looks like a rocket.

All you are doing is projecting your view and everyone goes oooooohh your so smart.. shame you never post much in the way of evidence.. just well crafted points that to the less critical eye seem perfectly reasonable.

Gavin Esler doc':
If you have watched it ..why not take on board what it said .. and write about 'other possibilities'.. rather than sticking with material that suits the truth ...sorry did i say truth i meant your POV.

You write in a style that is arrogant and whimsicaly meanders onto every conceivable point [regardless if it is raised].. with out a hint of humilty or ability to consider you may be wrong. You could be more stubborn than ME for pitys sake. I atleast am humble enough to admit that.

This thread was not about JFK.. i was not jokeing but not wishing to get into it at great lengh.. you seem as 'none intrested' in my POV as you seem to think i am with yours.. bad as each other eh ?.

I do't turn away..but you go way off track and bring your own agenda along..Why should i indulge you're added rhetoric.

We are both as stubborn as each other...

 

um, it appears that you just ignored that entire article? anyway, you're the conspiracy nut here, not us; mmmkay? good. now don't you forget that... our conspiracy theory is 100% more tangible than yours (which is just whatever the horseshitting american government and american mainstream media have you believe) you see. and what's this; you tell me to look you in the eye when we're on the internet; and you also tell me that all of our 9/11 conspiracy proof has been discredited? hmmm... maybe you should learn to read better? because that article says that people like YOU should provide proof. it's the believers of the official story who have proved and discredited absolutely nothing! anyway, to hell with ya. you're a blithering, propagandizing idiot that doesn't want to comprehend anything outside of the idiot box.

 

Actually matt, none of the long researched holes in the coverstory have been "discredited" and certainly not with any firm concrete evidentiary material. A parade of after the fact collusionistic vested interest "experts" have denied, dismissed and evaded the holes exposed in the coverstory, but to this day the White House remains intransigent against any transaprent, thorough and transparent investigation on the thin-veiled smokescreen pretext of "national security".

The only security involved is that of the official perpetrators themselves and the corrupt cabal of corporate interests financing them.

Funny how those like yourself who love to spout the phrase "if you have nothing to hide" when dicussing the tapping of citizens' phone lines or the special "anti-terrorism" powers assumed by our repesctive governments and law enforcement officials since 911, refuse to apply the same reasoning to those in power who have stonewalled every independent attempt to hold them to account and force them to substantiate their laughable tale of foreign boogeymen hijackers. A logical and critical mind turns the spotlight on those who fit the three basic conditions for likely suspects in any criminal act: means, motive and opportunity.

Mere oft-repeated media-assisted assertions by the officials who have been steadily concentrating more power unto themselves since the day do not suffice as substantiation of the coverstory. Your logic is such that youd accept the claim of a serial killer that it was someone else simply on his say so.

Cognitive disconnect fully in keeping with the article I presented previously.

 

Well i guess it took a while for people to accept the world was a sphere not flat..
I don't doubt it will take generations for the 'truth' to be accepted ... it is not the right time for any reasonable objectivity..

I never said that.. don't clump people into pigeon holes.

As i see it and i might be wrong.. 'the simple truth' is what applies.. People can't accept that even if it is the truth.
When a parent hears there child is killed in a car crash and it is shown it is the childs fault.. many can't accept that reality ..and fight till they prove otherwise.. stop fighting and accept the 'simple truth'.

 

No matt, the most simplistic truth is right in plain site by the declared necessity of the presently ruling cabal of ideologues themselves in their own manifesto on the strengthening of US global military and economic hegemony.

On the activities of the day itself, nothing is simple, but quite convuluted as any logical mind would appreciate concerning the most devastating bait and switch fraud in US history.

The independent research has detailed that with glaringly plausible effectiveness and a wealth of verifiable data for all who care to truly exmine it with intellectual honesty and a rational concern for unmasking the real perpetrators.

 

WHO do you think is going to hijack an airplane and commit suicide merely to advance the anal-retentive property grasping of the governing Elite?


NOBODY, that's who.

Religious or nationalist fanatics however, would hijack aircraft and commit suicide to advance their religious or nationalist causes.

Arab and Muslim fanatics, with only a small fraction of the resources of Bin Laden, have been successfully hijacking airliners since the 1960s.

It's nothing new, and they've been commiting suicide bombings far longer than that.

Put the two together and you get a 9/11.

Air defence?

When has a hijacked airliner full of passangers ever been shot down by air defence?

NEVER!

Crashing aircraft can't produce enough heat to weaken metal structures?

Anyone in the Navy on Aircraft Carriers, who have witnessed lightweight single engine aircraft crash and consume vast solid metal bulkheads and decks, will understand what a huge crashing airliner could do to the sparse metal frames of a civilian commercial structure.

Demolition explosions brought down the twin-towers?

Then how is it that the towers coincidentally start their collapse right where you would expect them to, at the very point of impact?

How does a conspiracy conspire that?

For 9/11 to have been a conspiracy, a large number of diverse people would have to be involved either knowingly or duped.

Not only would such a conspiracy be difficult to organize, but it would be very risky.

The Elite don't have to take such risks.

They're already in the driver's seat and they have 10,000yrs of unstopable momentum behind them.

In such a momentum, 9/11s will happen.

The Elite just have to be prepared to take advantage of them when they do.

And they are! And they do!

 

Who would Hijack an aircraft to advance an Elite agenda, Noone correct.

Noone hijacked any airliners on 911. The claim was made that there were hijackers, names were pulled out of a hat easily produced by our intelligence agencies (a significant number of whom were subsequently altered when the actual persons presented themselves alive and well and pissed off at their recrimmination in their own native lands), a blurry photo or two were paraded repeatedly across all media networks and the name Attah regurgitated to death.

Concrete proof to verify the laughable tale and contradict the susbequent revelations of multiple pre planned military exercises on that same day? Not a shred!

Surprising that you of all people M6M, with your routine denouncement of our corrupt and self-preserving system, should mouthpiece the claims of proven liars so uncritically.

 

m6m,

As far as the hijackers are concerned, it has been confirmed by mainstream news reports that as many as 9 of the 19 hijackers are still alive and well and living in the Middle East. Secondly, they weren't "Muslim extremists," as the media would have us believe. If this was the case, why was Atta and his hijacker buddies out drinking at a strip club the night before the attacks? Why was Atta a boozehound and cokehead? Isn't that against the Muslim religion, let alone for such supposedly "religious fanatics"?

Most professional pilots could not pull off what the "hijackers" did on 9/11. According to the people who "trained" them - on behalf of the U.S. government - these Arab madmen couldn't even fly a Cesna. So how could they hijack jetliners - with BOXCUTTERS of all things - then fly hundreds of miles by sight alone to locate the towers and Pentagon, slamming into the targets at hundreds of miles per hour while maintaining complete control of the planes?

The answer is they couldn't. They didn't.

Try exercising some CRITICAL THOUGHT! You are clearly lacking in this field!

 

Continuing...

When has an airplane ever been hijacked over U.S. airspace? When golfer Payne Stewart's Learjet went off course in 1999, it was greeted by F-16's in a matter of minutes. Why did it take over an hour on 9/11?

The smoking gun pertaining to air defense and NORAD is that on the morning of 9/11, several drills were taking place that actually mimicked hijacked jetliners flying into buildings - INCLUDING THE WORLD TRADE CENTER. Such drills included Northern Guardian, Vigilant Warrior and Vigilant Guardian. Again, this is mainstream news, but it has been conveniently swept under the rug.

What these so-called "drills" did was insert false radar blips on the radar screens. This aided in confusing any fighter response, though it was well after an hour before there was any military response at all. When they did respond, they responded from bases that were further from the hijacked aircraft than bases that were right nearby.

Some better, more critical and less sheepish questions to ask might be:

Why did the buildings collapse at free-fall speed while exploding into a fine dust?

Why were blast points seen emanating hundreds of feet below the collapse points?

Why did the NYC firefighters report fires that were nearly out when they arrived at the scenes of impact?

Why did the South Tower collapse before the North Tower, despite that the North Tower was hit first? The plane that hit the North Tower slammed directly into the building, which would have dumped most of the plane's fuel inside the building. The plane that hit the South Tower basically clipped one corner of the building, creating the massive fireball you saw on TV. This was the bulk of the plane's fuel exploding into the air. So why did the South Tower collapse first, despite being hit on an angle, further from the 47 steel collumns that made up the core of the building, while having less fuel enter the building?

Why were the Twin Towers - along with Building 7 - the FIRST steel-structure buildings in history to collapse (allegedly by fire), when other highrise buildings have literally burned for days and not collapsed?

Why did Building 7 collapse when it wasn't even hit by a plane? According to WTC leaseholder, Larry Silverstein, Building 7 was "pulled" (the universal term for a controlled demolition). But the FEMA report says the building collapsed from fire, even though the fires in Building Seven were weak and covered only a few floors. Why is this?

If the fires were so hot (let alone hot enough to melt steel), then why were people seen waving for help in the impact craters of the buildings. If the fires were hot enough to melt steel, why were those people standing there and not already dead?

Obviously it couldn't look exactly like a trademark demolition. The towers - unlike building 7, which few people have even seen the collapse of - were not brought down in the traditional controlled demolition manner, but were gradually blown, starting around the time of the first impact of the North Tower. I believe the basement of the towers were blown out first, so the buildings would fall on their foundations, minimizing the damage to neighboring buildings.

Then you have obviously read very little about the intelligence agencies and covert operations. It doesn't take as many people as you would think to pull something like 9/11 off. Maybe around 100 or so in the right places and the right times. This is nothing when you consider the intelligence agencies are filled with cold and ruthless people out for their own gain. The people who get promoted to the highest positions are, by nature, the most corrupt.

When you couple this with the complacent and complicit mainstream media, and the general public's inability to question things outside of the box and think critically, the attacks become a piece of cake.

What you should be asking yourself is how could terrorists armed with BOXCUTTERS pull off such as feat! The answer is they couldn't and they didn't.

The spectacular, Hollywood-like nature of the 9/11 attacks was not the product of a few Muslim extremists acting on the orders of some man in a cave in Afghanistan. The perpetrators of the attacks on September 11th make up a rogue element in the U.S. government and its interlocking intelligence agenices, which have also infiltrated and maintain control over the Middle East terrorist networks in which they control and manipulate to their benefit. The purpose of these attacks was to scare the people of the United States and Europe into accepting imperial action abroad and a crackdown of civil liberties at home. This is all part of a much larger agenda called the New World Order, which is unfolding right before our eyes and most of us don't even know it.

 

Based on the Board's findings (ignoring the computer simulation's potential problems), Esler's conclusion should not/cannot be considered definitive (final).