Actually, the official story itself is a conspiracy theory. An old man dying of kidney failure located in a third-world country cave organized and directed a team of men who couldn't fly crop-dusters to hijack and expertly pilot jumbo-jets... ...and somehow also had DEFCON stand down, and set up military drills just like what was actually happening on that same day(the odds of that being a coincidence are astronomical, by the way). Oh, and he also made the laws of physics change for that day to allow a jet-fuel based fire to melt the stell used in the towers in that quick a time.. ...and he found a way to make WTC7 collapse perfectly into its' footprint at free-fall speed without having taken any signifigant damage. This is not a rational theory, nor a logical one. While I won't insist anyone instantly believe the 'conspiracy theories', I would suggest you give them a long, hard, objective read. If you don't believe our own government would take part in such a thing, please google "Able Danger", "MK Ultra", or "Project Northwoods". Also watch the film "Terrorstorm" by Alex Jones. 9-11 is nothing new...it is simply of a larger scale. Bush being surprised by such a thing means nothing. He is, at best, a low-level puppet of the globalist cabal that engineered 9-11. He is an evil man, and a terrible President...but he is not at the top of the 'illuminati' pyramid. Those who engineered 9-11(and 7-7 in London) are an international network of wealthy elite, who intend to not only remain in power - but extend their power to create a one-world fascist police state. The signs of which are all around us: The American Union, European Union, RFID chips, and on and on... Please don't just watch Loose Change. There are a lot of 9-11 Truth sites out there. The mainstream media would have you believe the Movement is tiny - but in reality we are in the thousands and thousands and thousands...and growing every day. Some good sites to start with are: www.911truth.org www.wtc7.org www.scholarsfor911truth.org www.ny911truth.org www.v911t.org ...and there are hundreds more.
i think the biggest fact people tend to ignore is the whole people-not-showing-up-to-work thing. when you couple that with the reports of bomb drills the day before, that's enough for me to start asking questions.
Yeah well most of america and most of even this forum are too stupid and ignorant to even question 911...i mean of course bush lied about WMD but he is OF COURSE telling the FULL TRUTH about 9/11...yeah right, kiss my ass...
I have a couple of questions that I would like some opinions/answers on. 1) Do you believe that there are persons that believe martyrdom is the highest honor in Islam? 2) Do you believe that there are global organizations that receive funds from Islamic charities from all over the globe? 3) Do you believe there are persons who are willing to participate in martyr operations against US interests, in retailation for deaths of Muslims around the globe caused by the policies of the US government? 4) Do you believe that the training of agents, policies in place, and security of the US borders was enough to keep US Immiration agents from intercepting possbile terrorists from entering the US borders? 5) Do you believe that "Red Teams" found major flaws in airline security but were silenced because the airline industry and lobbyists were too interested in losing profits than providing security to domestic flight? 6) Do you believe that these "Red Teams" were able to smuggle blades, knives, guns, bomb making components, complete bombs, etc.. through security and released over a half a dozen reports indicating these security holes and warned that it isn't a matter of if a hijacker could take down an airliner, but how they would wanted to do so? The reason I am asking these questions is that I often hear people with little or no engineering or scientific background discussing the events of the collapsse of the WTC buildings, but I very rarely hear anybody talking about the terrorists. Does anybody believe that these terrorists are fabrications? That al Qaeda and other Islamic extremist organizations are ficticious? That dozens of countries around the world have intelligence agencies and government agencies whose responsibility it is to track and conduct counter operations against these terrorist organizations and are doing so to further the belief that these organizations actually exist? That the thousands of agents that have been involved in counter-terrorists operations are somehow all involved in the "grand scheme". I am curious as to what people think about this. Angelheadedhipster made a point that when investigating a crime the first thing investigators look for is motive. I suggest a similar approach, but from a different angle. Regardless of the physics of how the buildings may have fallen, regardless of who may have profitted from the events of 9/11. Who would have been capable to pull off an operation such as this? Who would have the determination, the finances, the logistics, and the manpower to pull of an operation of this size? Let us discuss this aspect of 9/11.
Yes, that is why it is so easy for intelligence agencies to manipulate them and kill themselves thinking it's for THEIR cause when in reality it is for the cause of Western Governments. Yes, but where does al-qaeda get it's funding? Not from charities, they get their funding from the Pakistani ISI, the CIA of Pakistan. Who founded, created, and to this day funds the ISI? Our American CIA. You see, if the CIA directly funded Al-Qaeda the people in that group who actually want to destroy america and fight for Islam would not have it, they would never take money from their enemy, but if they are funded by the CIA through the ISI, who Al-qaeda thinks shares their goal, they will accept it. The 911 commission itself stated on page 144 of their book that whoever funded the hijackers and got them into the country and made this attack possible, is of little or no signifigance . yes, how do you think 911 happened. No it's not, mostly because Bush has sworn to do nothing about the open borders and grant amnesty to every illegal immigrant that comes here. This is being done to destroy the middle class of America. They expect us to walk out on our streets as cameras watch every move we make, they expect us to let them listen to our phonecalls and tap our emails, yet any illegal immigrant or terrorist can easily get into the US through the open border, what a joke. I would definitly believe that. Airline security is a joke, but if your an 80 year old WWII veteran you get strip searched going through the metal detector. I wouldn't be suprised, but I havn't looked into this so I won't act like i have. The fact is the official story doesnt include bombs or guns or anything like that, it was a bunch of arabs with boxcutters, i am 130 and 5'6 but I would still pounce on any motherfucker with a boxcutter. You also stated how I am not a scientist so I shouldn't talk about the collapses and I somewhat agree with you, I don't know enough about physics to debate that fully, but I barely ever talk about the collapses of those towers, what I focus in on is who has the motive, who states in a federal document in 2000 that they needed new pearl harbor type events to push their agenda forward, who wrote a federal document taking interception orders away from the norad generals and to The Secretary Of Defense, etc. I suggest you look into this, yes there are arab terrorists but they are poor and unable to pull of spectacular events like 911 without the help of VERY powerful people in buisness suits and briefcases.
What about Mosques, Madrasas, and Imams that preach martyrdom and hatred for the west? Zakat, one of the five pillars of Islam, require muslims to give charity. The Saudi Royal Family donates an immense amount of money to Islamic charities. This money is very difficult to track both in origin as well as distribution. Indepentantly wealthy arabs is another source of funding, which is also very difficult to track. An clear example of how difficult this money is to track is by looking at the amount of funds that were seized pre-9/11. In retrospect, it was virtually none. (This topic could be started in a separate thread) I am glad we agree on this. Some believe that the planes that struck the WTC buildings were remote control drones and the actually terrorists are still alive and well, living in the middle east. I should have clarified pre-9/11 security, but I see you admit security was/is greatly flawed. Investigators did in fact smuggle all these items through airport security, and while the hijackers did only use knives and boxcutters, it shows the relative ease of carrying such items onto an airplane. In fact, pre-9/11 is was NOT prohibited to carry knives with blade lengths less than 3 inches. It has been shown that due to communication through airphones, the passengers of Flight 93 were informed that these were suicide missions, which prompted them to try and neutralize the threat and take back control of the airplane. Communication from other flights indicate that there was mass confusion and some were not even initially aware that the pilots were not flying the planes. It is safe to assume that the passengers had no reason to take offensive actions against the hijackers if they were told and believed that they were returning to the airport. They were told to stay in their seats and stay calm. The scare tactics of the hijackers worked. I did not say you should not talk about the collapses, in fact I appreciate any open minded discussions. You say you focus on who has the motive, which in your answers you provided to my questions clearly indicate this Islamic extremists did not only have motive, but opportunity. While I don't gather you completely believe the Islamic extremist angle, you are at least willing to accept that is a possibility. The idea that arab terrorists are poor and unable to pull of events such as 9/11 is the very reason that events such as 9/11 have and will take place. al Qaeda was clearly underestimated before 9/11, and we have all seen what they are capable of. I have researched many different aspects and angles of 9/11 including many government "conspiracies". While taking an objective look at both sides (government vs. Islamic radicals), I simply do not believe that the government was responsible. I do believe that they have the capacity, but I do not believe that they were responsible. Both sides had motive, both sides had opportunity. The government was the only side that had something to lose by executing an operation with such a large risk of exposure. The fact is, the US government did not need 9/11 as justification to go into Afghanistan, and they did not need 9/11 as justification to go into Iraq. Afghanstan was in the crosshairs of the US government for years, they were just unwilling to act. They had every reason to take out the Taliban regime and al Qaeda. The post-9/11 invasion of Afghanistan has nothing to do with oil, natural gas, or opium. As far as Iraq, 9/11 was not the reason the US invaded Iraq. It was the non-compliance of Saddam Hussein. 9/11 just triggered a zero tolerance policy and created a large target for the US military to show their force in the wake of 9/11. The US could have went about invading Iraq with the same justification and same outcome whether or not 9/11 had occured.
ok, so payne stewart's private jet gets intercepted in 18 minutes by 3 F-16s because he went a little of course, but 4 hijacked airplanes couldnt be because Osama and the Cave Dwellers made Norad Stand Down? What a joke.
What is this misinformation that NORAD stood down? 20-25 minutes after Flight 11 went silent NEADS was notified. 7 minutes later the Otis birds were in the air awaiting heading to intercept Flight 11.
There was not a direct standdown order to my knowledge, although a Man named L. Chavez has said he was working for UScentcom in the pentagon and heard military officials talking about how weird it was that they had gotten standdown orders and that Cheney was in control of Norad, but that can't be proven. The standdown order was a silent one that was caused through the wargames. If NEADS was notified at the time that the official timeline says they were, they would have been able to intercept the plane EASY. Most skeptics say that since the transponder was turned off they couldn't find the plane but this is absolutely false, it would have been the only plane out of all the blips that didn't have it's info on it, it would have been the easiest to find. BUT, there were multiple wargames that day of ramming planes into the WTC and pentagon, which included putting flase radar blips on the screen which confused Norad and the FAA. That is why when the planes were sent out they were flying the complete opposite direction because they had been sent to intercept a false blip while the real plane was headed straight for the WTC. We need to find out WHO scheduled these wargames. (Between 8:13-8:21 a.m.): Flight 11 Transponder Turned Off (8:21 a.m.): Boston Controller Suspects Something Seriously Wrong with Flight 11, but NORAD Not Notified 8:25 a.m.: Boston Flight Control Tells Other Centers About Hijack, but Not NORAD 8:28 a.m.: FAA Centers Have Hijacking Conference Call; NORAD Not Notified (8:28 a.m.): Flight 11 Is a Confirmed Hijacking; NORAD Still Not Notified 8:30 a.m.: FAA Command Center Informed of Hijacking; NORAD Still Not Notified (8:37 a.m.): Boston Flight Control Notifies NORAD; Timing Disputed After 8:37 a.m.: Otis Commander Phones NEADS for Authorization to Launch Fighters (8:37 a.m.-8:43 a.m.): NORAD Personnel Mistake Hijacking for Part of an Exercise (8:40 a.m.): Fighter Pilots Unofficially Told to Get Ready to Scramble After Flight 11 8:46 a.m.: Flight 11 Hits the North Tower of the World Trade Center “Because of a technical issue, there are no NEADS recordings available of the NEADS senior weapons director and weapons director technician position responsible for controlling the Otis scramble.” [9/11 Commission, 7/24/2004, pp. 459] According to the commission, NORAD makes the decision to scramble after only one phone call, as the decision is made to act first and get clearances later. Yet there is a nine-minute gap between when the 9/11 Commission says NORAD is notified about the hijacking at 8:37 a.m., and when the fighters are ordered scrambled. This delay has not been explained. The pilots had already received several unofficial warnings before this order—possibly as early as 8:34 a.m., 12 minutes earlier. One of the pilots recalls sitting in the cockpit, ready and waiting for the scramble order to come. [9/11 Commission, 6/17/2004; BBC, 9/1/2002] According to some reports, the Otis fighters only take off six minutes after the scramble order, at 8:52 a.m. [North American Aerospace Defense Command, 9/18/2001; 9/11 Commission, 6/17/2004] The fighters’ initial target, Flight 11, is already crashing into the WTC at this time. NEADS Commander Robert Marr later claims, “My intent was to scramble Otis to military airspace while we found out what was going on.” [Filson, 2004, pp. 56] "Flight 175 lost radio contact at 8:42 a.m. (see 8:41 a.m.) and changed transponder signals at 8:46 a.m. (see 8:46 a.m.); a flight controller declared it possibly hijacked sometime between 8:46 a.m. and 8:53 a.m. (see 8:46 a.m.); and a flight control manager called it hijacked at 8:55 a.m.(see (8:55 a.m.)) The commission has not explained why New York flight control would wait 10-17 minutes before warning NORAD that Flight 175 is possibly hijacked. [9/11 Commission, 6/17/2004] It also would not explain why United Airlines headquarters would fail to notify NORAD National Guard after learning that the plane has been hijacked at about 8:50 a.m. (see (8:50 a.m.))" "A fighter pilot flying from Otis Air Base toward New York City later notes that it wouldn’t have mattered if he caught up with Flight 175, because only President Bush could order a shootdown, and Bush is at a public event at the time. [Cape Cod Times, 8/21/2002] “Only the president has the authority to order a civilian aircraft shot down,” according to a 1999 CNN report. [CNN, 10/26/1999] In fact, by 9/11, Defense Secretary Rumsfeld also has the authority to order a shootdown, but he is not responding to the crisis at this time. [New York Observer, 6/17/2004] Furthermore, NORAD Commander Larry Arnold later states that on 9/11, “I have the authority in case of an emergency to declare a target hostile and shoot it down under an emergency condition.” [Filson, 2004, pp. 75]" 8:25 a.m.: Boston Flight Control Tells Other Centers About Hijack, but Not NORAD (???) Two F-16s from this base (NJ airbase) are practicing bombing runs over an empty stretch of the Pine Barrens near Atlantic City. Only eight minutes away from New York City, they are not alerted to the emerging crisis. (8:49 a.m.): United Airlines Headquarters Learns Flight 175 Is Missing; NORAD Apparently Not Informed 8:50 a.m.: Flight 175 Heads for New York City (8:52 a.m.): New York Flight Controller Tracks Flight 175 into New York; NORAD Not Warned? (8:55 a.m.): New York Flight Control Believes Flight 175 Has Been Hijacked; NORAD Reportedly Not Informed The head New York flight controller notifies a manager at the facility that she believes Flight 175 has been hijacked. The manager tries to notify regional managers about this, but cannot reach them because they are discussing the hijacking of Flight 11 and refuse to be disturbed. However, even though the controller managing Flight 175 said, “we may have a hijack” at 8:53 a.m., the 9/11 Commission concluded that NORAD is not notified by this time. [9/11 Commission, 6/17/2004] The commission’s account conflicts with previous accounts stating that NORAD is notified of the Flight 175 hijacking at 8:43 a.m. (9:03 a.m.): New York Flight Control Informs NORAD That Flight 175 Has Been Hijacked; Timing of Notice in Question Ok...so I have to cut in here now...8:49 is when Flight 175 goes missing...Norad is not informed even know another plane has just crashed into the WTC tower. Then New York Flight Control doesn't inform norad about Flight 175 until 9:03? This seems very suspect because everyone knows one plane has already been hijacked and rammed into a building, anything is possible at this point. Confusion and incompetance can only go so far, this level of madness and confusion was not caused by incompetence because people would have been fired, this was caused by design through these wargames. Here a few quotes from Norad and the FAA directly talking about these wargames and how they are messing them up: "FAA: Hi. Boston Center TMU [Traffic Management Unit], we have a problem here. We have a hijacked aircraft headed towards New York, and we need you guys to, we need someone to scramble some F-16s or something up there, help us out. NEADS [Northeast Air Defense Sector]: Is this real-world or exercise? FAA: No, this is not an exercise, not a test." ""In what the government describes as a bizarre coincidence, one U.S. intelligence agency was planning an exercise last Sept. 11 [2001] in which an errant aircraft would crash into one of its buildings.....'It was just an incredible coincidence that this happened to involve an aircraft crashing into our facility,' Haubold said. 'As soon as the real world events began, we canceled the exercise'." National Reconnaissance Office" ""The September 11, 2001 attacks occurred during that year's Global Guardian and Vigilant Guardian joint exercises.....Lt. Col. Dawne Deskins, who said 'everybody' at NEADS first thought the attacks were part of Vigilant Guardian."- U.S. Strategic Command" "Although most of the personnel on the NEADS operations floor have no idea what the day’s exercise is supposed to entail, most previous major NORAD exercises included a hijack scenario. [Utica Observer-Dispatch, 8/5/2004; USA Today, 4/18/2004] The day’s exercise is in fact scheduled to include a simulated hijacking later on. Major Kevin Nasypany, the NEADS mission crew commander, had helped design it. Thinking the reported hijacking is part of this exercise he actually says out loud, “The hijack’s not supposed to be for another hour.” In the ID section" " Northern Vigilance is a military operation, not a training exercise. [NORAD, 9/9/2001; US Congress, 3/11/2005] So presumably the “simulated information” is part of a NORAD exercise currently taking place, such as Vigilant Guardian (see (6:30 a.m.)). Therefore, many minutes into the real 9/11 attacks, there may have been false radar blips causing confusion among NORAD personnel. Additional details, such as whose radar screens have false blips and over what duration, are unknown." (9:04 a.m.): Flight 175 Crash Leads to Confusion at NEADS; Some Think it is a Simulation NORAD’s Northeast Air Defense Sector (NEADS) in Rome, NY, has just received a phone call informing it of the hijacking of Flight 175 (see (9:03 a.m.)), and several personnel have witnessed the plane crashing into the second WTC tower live on CNN. There is considerable confusion on the operations floor over whether the plane seen on TV is the hijacking they have just been informed of. Tape recordings capture NEADS personnel in the background trying to make sense of things: “Is this explosion part of that that we’re lookin’ at now on TV?” ... “And there’s a possible second hijack also—a United Airlines” ... “Two planes?” Someone comments, “I think this is a damn input, to be honest.” “Input” refers to a simulations input, as part of a training exercise. [Vanity Fair, 8/1/2006] NORAD has the capacity to inject simulated material, including mass attacks, during exercises, “as though it was being sensed for the first time by a radar site.” [US Department of Defense, 1/14/1999] At least one military exercise this morning is reported to include simulated information injected onto radar screens (see (9:00 a.m.)). At the current time, despite the earlier crash of Flight 11, NORAD has yet to cancel a major exercise it is in the middle of (see After 9:03 a.m.). [Filson, 2004, pp. 59]" " (9:40 a.m.): Hijacking Simulation Scheduled as Part of NORAD Exercise As part of a NORAD training exercise, a simulated hijacking was scheduled to occur around this time. It was to have been based around politically motivated perpetrators taking command of an aircraft, landing it on a Cuba-like island, and seeking asylum there. The hijacking was one of several simulated scenarios prepared for the day. Details of the other scenarios are unknown. Major Kevin Nasypany, the NEADS mission crew commander who’d helped designed the exercise, initially thought the reports of Flight 11 being hijacked were because “Somebody started the exercise early.” [Vanity Fair, 8/1/2006] The exercise was canceled after the second plane hit the World Trade Center (see After 9:03 a.m.)." Ok...that is enough information on the wargames, but the fact is if you still believe after all that information that Norad and the FAA screwed up from incompetence, there is no turning you around. the Norad and the FAA have so much technology and the ability to intercept commercial airplanes is like eating cake to these guys, they scrambled jets to intercept 67 airliners in the year of 911 (From Sept. 11 to June, NORAD scrambled jets or diverted combat air patrols 462 times, almost seven times as often as the 67 scrambles from September 2000 to June 2001, Martin said."). Now of course I know you'll shoot back and go "yeh scrambled but didn't intercept" but that fact is they were scrambled and went to see what the situation was, once they figured out it was ok the need to intercept wasn't there anymore, on september eleventh the hijackers did not respond to the FAA and Norad so they would have atleast been followed by F-16s the entire way up until they crashed, or a shootdown order could have been given by Bush or Rumsfeld who just so happened to be in the "wrong place at the wrong time" so they couldn't give the order, aww...im sure they feel JUST awful about that...yeah... the FAA and NORAD have the world's most ridiculous technology right at their fingertips, they scrambled planes 67 times perfectly to the script in 2001 but on September Eleventh all of a sudden they are completely incompetant? All I have to say is I hope you open your eyes man, it's sad to see someone not able to admit the truth to themselves.
I stayed up watching that video last night. Wow. Everyone in america needs to see that. I posted it as a bulletin on myspace.
I'm glad to see unlike shaggie and "whackyiraqi" you have atleast enough of an open mind to watch it without trying to critisize and pickpoint every little detail so you can debunk those small points and then claim there was no conspiracy and go back to sleep. Sure Norad standing down is a coincidence...then the pentagon hole...just a coincidence...norman mineta testimony just a coincidence...demolition squibs going off in the towers, falling at free fall speed....just a coincidence...each of these things COULD be a coincidence, but all together there is no way all of these coincidences could occur on top of eachother, it is not the probable thesis of what happened that day. The probable thesis is that this attack was facilitated and carried out by people inside our country who are very powerful finacially...the ones who believe in all these coincidences TRULY are the conspiracy theorists.
Wait till the Final cut my friend...the physical anaomlies are only 1/1000th of the film...there will be TONS of non debatable facts that prove conclusively that 911 was an inside job.
Couldn't sleep and noticed we got distracted from our previous converstation. Let us continue. Payne stewarts jet was not intercepted in 18 minutes. "At 0933:38 EDT (6 minutes and 20 seconds after N47BA acknowledged the previous clearance), the controller instructed N47BA to change radio frequencies and contact another Jacksonville ARTCC controller. The controller received no response from N47BA. The controller called the flight five more times over the next 4 1/2 minutes but received no response. About 0952 CDT,7 a USAF F-16 test pilot from the 40th Flight Test Squadron at Eglin Air Force Base (AFB), Florida, was vectored to within 8 nm of N47BA. About 0954 CDT, at a range of 2,000 feet from the accident airplane and an altitude of about 46,400 feet, the test pilot made two radio calls to N47BA but did not receive a response". www.ntsb.gov/Publictn/2000/AAB0001.htm "In the decade before 9/11, NORAD intercepted only one civilian plane over North America: golfer Payne Stewart's Learjet, in October 1999. With passengers and crew unconscious from cabin decompression, the plane lost radio contact but remained in transponder contact until it crashed. Even so, it took an F-16 1 hour and 22 minutes to reach the stricken jet. Rules in effect back then, and on 9/11, prohibited supersonic flight on intercepts. Prior to 9/11, all other NORAD interceptions were limited to offshore Air Defense Identification Zones (ADIZ). "Until 9/11 there was no domestic ADIZ," said FAA spokesman Bill Schumann. Terms like Air Defense Identification Zone (ADIZ) and temporary flight restriction (TFR) quickly came into widespread use among the general-aviation pilot group. Those terms had been around for years. Military fighters and the ADIZ protected American coasts from intrusions by Russian Bear Bombers throughout the Cold War. TFRs were used for presidential security and other extraordinary events. But they weren’t part of a pilot’s everyday life. You didn’t get intercepted and forced down if you flew through a TFR. Today, things are different. There’s an ADIZ that surrounds Washington, D.C. In the four years after 9/11, it was violated over 1,000 times. The North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) has scrambled fighters for intercepts within U.S. borders over 1,600 times. In the year previous to 9/11, NORAD intercepted airplanes in the ADIZ only 67 times, none of which occurred within the U.S. borders. http://www.planeandpilotmag.com/content/2005/oct/busting_tfr.html
"In the decade before 9/11, NORAD intercepted only one civilian plane over North America: golfer Payne Stewart's Learjet, in October 1999. With passengers and crew unconscious from cabin decompression, the plane lost radio contact but remained in transponder contact until it crashed. Even so, it took an F-16 1 hour and 22 minutes to reach the stricken jet. Rules in effect back then, and on 9/11, prohibited supersonic flight on intercepts. Prior to 9/11, all other NORAD interceptions were limited to offshore Air Defense Identification Zones (ADIZ). "Until 9/11 there was no domestic ADIZ," said FAA spokesman Bill Schumann." This man is a shill...you expect me to believe the same guy who before 9/11 was BRAGGING in an article about how many interceptions that NORAD and the FAA had done perfectly 67 times in 2001, then after 9/11 he suddenly comes out and says "oh...we NEVER scrambled planes except once in 2001"...this man is either being blackmailed or threatened.
He said NORAD intercepted only one civilian plane over North America, he did not deny the 67 ADIZ intercepts. Is there actually a source where this man said "we NEVER scrambled planes except for once in 2001"?
"Even so, it took an F-16 1 hour and 22 minutes to reach the stricken jet (Payne Stewart's)" This is an outright lie, and it fits you well because you are a liar sir. From " Loss of Oxygen Cited as Possible Cause of Jet's Wayward Flight, Crash " By: Lynn Lunsford Dallas Morning News "Instead, according to an Air Force timeline, a series of military planes provided an emergency escort to the stricken Lear, beginning with a pair of F-16 Falcons from the Air National Guard at Tyndall Air Force Base, Fla., about 20 minutes after ground controllers lost contact." Yeah you lied, just like everything else you said here about 9/11...you are either an idiot or a highly paid shill just like many of the people that have infiltrated hip forums. yeah 20 minutes they already sorrounded Payne Stewart with F-16's...but it took those same people 48 minutes to even scramble a plane to intercept flight 77, after 2 planes have already hit the WTC...How was a plane which was known to be hostile able to have an unimpeded 48 minute joyride around US airspace before slamming into the heart of the US military. "About 0952 CDT,7 a USAF F-16 test pilot from the 40th Flight Test Squadron at Eglin Air Force Base (AFB), Florida, was vectored to within 8 nm of N47BA.8 About 0954 CDT, at a range of 2,000 feet from the accident airplane and an altitude of about 46,400 feet,9 the test pilot made two radio calls to N47BA but did not receive a response." From the Associated Press: "If he hears anything that indicates difficulty in the skies, we begin the staff work to scramble," Martin said. Before Sept. 11, the FAA had to telephone NORAD about any possible hijackings. From Sept. 11 to June, NORAD scrambled jets or diverted combat air patrols 462 times, almost seven times as often as the 67 scrambles from September 2000 to June 2001, Martin said." http://www.911review.com/cache/means/020812ap.html
I will repeat. "At 0933:38 EDT (6 minutes and 20 seconds after N47BA acknowledged the previous clearance), the controller instructed N47BA to change radio frequencies and contact another Jacksonville ARTCC controller. The controller received no response from N47BA. The controller called the flight five more times over the next 4 1/2 minutes but received no response. About 0952 CDT,7 a USAF F-16 test pilot from the 40th Flight Test Squadron at Eglin Air Force Base (AFB), Florida, was vectored to within 8 nm of N47BA. About 0954 CDT, at a range of 2,000 feet from the accident airplane and an altitude of about 46,400 feet, the test pilot made two radio calls to N47BA but did not receive a response". www.ntsb.gov/Publictn/2000/AAB0001.htm All of the information is there. There is no lie. Let me provide a bit of help for you. If you notice the time recorded for the events there is a series of letters listed after them, EDT, CDT, etc.... This is called a time zone. The time of the last radio communication with N47BA was recorded in EDT. The time the F16's obtained visual contact with N47BA was CDT. I do not know why you provided that last link regarding NORAD intercepts, I am not disputing that information and it echoed the information I posted.