Look What My Sister Sent Me..

I kind of agree and I don't agree with you we all shine on.... the sister shouldn't know that you are smoking, esp. at her age, although she is trying to look out for her older sibling, she is completely misinformed on the matter and is saying that its real bad.... Smoking anything is bad, but what she is saying makes it out to be some life-threatening danger...

 

Hahahah
Looks like she saw one too many anti-drug commercials.

"Jared, we need to talk"

Anyways, tell her to stop being a dumb bitch and recognize the precious herb before her.


Inform her that Cannabinoid receptors are naturally grown in the brain, so the brain wouldn't create it if it was going to kill it.

The DEA said quote "You would have to ingest more than 15,000 lbs in 15 minutes to experience toxic effects from marijuana"

Marijuana is one of the least toxic substances known to man, say scientists

Marijuana is smoked in extremely smaller doses than cigarettes, so there's virtually no risk of smoke causing anything as long as it's exhaled at a reasonable rate.

It was recently proved that Marijuana has NO lasting effect on the brain whatsoever.

Note that there has never been a single death directly from Marijuana. And if you see TV shows where the "driver was high" and got in an accident, what they're telling you is the percent of people that tested positive for marijuana use WITHIN THE LAST 30 DAYS, not that day. So really they're just giving you a stoner statistic, not proving that marijuana impares driving.

 

Although I believe it to be bullshit Anti-Drug shit there has been reported cases by doctors of death caused by long-term marijuana intake... About a month before the rescheduling of marijuana in England somebody died of having marijuana in their system.... They supposively smoked a joint a day for 12 years, and they died from the marijuana in their body...
Of course there are people on a gov't program that have been smoking 12 joints a day for 30 years and they haven't had any problems, and are still alive.

 

I'm aware of that and it was pointed out to be bullshit shortly after it was released....

 

if thats true hey you got to die some way

 

Just as an aside, that article states "Anslinger also popularized the word marihuana for the plant, using a Mexican derived word (believed to be derived from a Brazilian Portuguese term for inebriation)"

In truth "marijuana" comes from the spanish names Maria and Juan, that is, Mary and John, the two people who stood at Jesus' feet when he died on the cross. Marijuana was likened to those two because it stood by the lower class man during hard times.

 

I got my mom to understand because if it were legal she really wouldn't protest. That would be like me getting on her for smoking cigarettes. But it's different with your sister obviously. It's really touching to me how much she cares about you though. You can give her information but I think you really just need to talk to her and explain that you know the risks but you're willing to take them and talk to her and show her facts while you're there together that way you can talk about them. Like my stepsister is gay and she's just sending my parents all this info about gay things and they are like, what the hell does this have to do with YOU as a person and OUR relationship. They haven't even really talked about it. You need to get personal with the issue. I had to do that with my sister. The biggest disappointment I ever felt in my whole life was when my family sat me at our kitchen table and called me out for smoking pot. My sister just cried and cried and told me I let her down. It felt awful to hurt her like that because you never want to hurt someone you love. But after talking to her and explaining why I did it and how it came about it brought us closer together. I don't think she approves of me doing it though anyway but she understands it's my life and my decision. Good luck.

 

Mexican's speak spanish, Trippin

and umm i dont see how you can deny that smoking has lasting efects. i know if i smoke, there are effects, depending on how much smoked and for hwo long, but even fi i jsut get stoned one day of teh week, ill feel teh effects for a day or two. if i get stoned all weekend, it lasts several days, and so on.
I think my body doesnt metabolise thc that well tho caus i feel teh effects much longer than most ppl.

 

When i smoke, i feel a little different the next morning, but once I get really woken up I'm completely fine and I feel no effects from smoking.... and i smoke atleast once everyday

 

i msut say somthings up caus my vision has been changed seeminlgy permanently... i can never look at a surface and jsut see it plan anymore. theres almsot always colours and stuff over my vision that i ddint used to get. ghosting effects of colours and lights have been much more prominent. this is comparing to how i remember nonstoned life to be.

these were rebooted with my recent dxm experience, id be itnerested to see if they ever go away lol or if my perception has been modified period.

 

I was just quoting the article, bro.

 

Didnt she find a pipe in your room and freaked out. Tell her its a personal choice and that you would much rather enjoy a life of smoking marijuana, as opposed the not smoking and living a few extra years. That sucks that she is such a buzz kill.

 

This study was also conducted over a very wide range of people, with no discrimnation of present health and heart conditions. Someone else also raised a valid point. Someone else also pointed out that if you're healthy, then your risk for heart attack is probably already pretty low, so the acute rise during the high probably won't effect you very much. Heart attacks aren't hereditary, heart disease is. Your family's long line of heart problems just doesn't pertain to heart attacks, because they're not a genetic happening. So, if you're a normal, healthy teen, your risk for a heart attack isn't going to be that high to begin with.

The biggest speculation that your more liable to have a heart attack is because your heart speeds up sometimes. But that doesn't even happen that much to me, and researchers suspect that the reason for this is because cannabis effects your left and right brain in certain ways and actually effects your breathing pattern. In turn, this spurrs your heart beat to quicken.

There's many things to address here. The first I'd like to address is that yes, marijuana is a smoked drugs, and that will have adverse effects on the lungs. But, what you haven't heard is that the drug, THC, is a very beneficial drug to the lungs. THC will actually dilate your bronchial passage-ways more when you're high, allowing easier breathing. Some asthma sufferes even use marijuana for relief. As a matter of fact, I have a very close friend whoes left lung had sealed off due to a rare condition. He started smoking marijuana, and the lung opened back up. His doctor sent him to a specialist, and the specialist actually confirmed that not only was marijuana responsible for opening the lung back up, but if he hadn't smoked it, his lung would've completely collapsed. It's been shown to prevent such illnesses like bronchitis, emphasema, and many others due to it's bronchial-dilating effects, and its tendency to clear out deep parts of your lungs of other things like tobacco smoke, or pollution.

Another thing that she may not realize about tobacco smoke that the reason so many people contract cancer from it is not because of the tar, but because of other chemicals in it. Specifically polonium 210, and lead 211, which are both radioactive chemicals that can be found in tobacco smoke and leave caches in your lung. In 1990, Surgeon General C. Everette Coop even cited the two chemicals for the cause of 90% of tobacco-related lung-cancer cases in the U.S.

Not only does tar not play a role in cancer as big as she may have thought before, marijuana is actually lower in tarry material. The organizations that conduct studies, like NIDA, use very low quality marijuana, and they lose the leaves of the plant. The leaves usually contain 3 - 5 times more tar than the flowers of the plant, which is what most users smoke. There've been a lot of comparisons, most very inconsistent, claiming one joint is equal to 3 cigarettes. In fact, the claim themselves seem to be nothing but propaganda, as each year the number of cigarettes a joint to see to be risen, or lowered. Funny thing is, the increases and decreases just don't correspond to any studies, because NIDA, and no other organizations have reported doing any studies concerning the tar content in the last few years.

All very false claims. First of all, the smoke composition of tobacco and marijuana are nearly identical. Marijuana does have more hydrocarbons, but not by that much. In fact, a gas chamber test of two smoke compositions, marijuana and tobacco, were done, and marijuana only had about 5% more.

The claim that marijuana effects the immune system is based on very inconsistent research done in the 1970's. One study shows white blood cells were impaired when exposed to THC; others showed them show even better response to foreign cells. Although more studies show better response, the research should still be considered inconclusive.

That last one is partially true, although distorted. Marijuana will effect your memory and learning, but it's simply because the way it leaves the body takes longer than most drugs. When you're down from a high, you still have THC in your system. Sometimes, it's enough THC in the system to slightly depleat your melatonin supply, which leads to lack of REM sleep. If you didn't know, REM sleep is when short-term memory is transfered to long-term memroy. That being said, if you read a chapter on world history one day, and you didn't tranfer that from short-term to long-term, you won't learn it. But, the way to solve all this is to take melatonin supplements.

You can't become physically addicted to marijuana. There's still a pretty large risk for psychological addiction. This type of addiction can happen with nearly anything. Some people exhibit this type of addiction with sex, TV, the internet, video games, and none of these things are even drugs. There's an Internet Anonymous, a TV Anonymous, and those aren't addictive drugs.

When we normally talk about addiction, there's a fine line between chemical dependency and addiction. Chemical dependcy is generally where your body won't function correctly without that chemical. Addiction is basically strong psychological craving for the drug. Both are negative things, but when using marijuana in moderation, it's easy to avoid addiction. When you hear about those people who have sleeplessness, anxiety, and aggression when trying to quit, the studies don't tell you those are people that have been smoking it every day, all day, for 15+ years.


If you want, you should show your sister this, and give her my email or screenname or something. I can talk to her and give her other sources, because there is a lot of things that are biased in the things she found that she doesn't know about. If she really wants to learn about it, have her talk to me, and tell her that to make a decision based on one side of the story woudln't be a very smart thing to do. You have to hear both sides of the story, and then judge for yourself. It's easier to trust government organizations, but sometimes you just have to realize government organizations don't really have your interests in mind.

Just tell her I'm not some biased pothead and to IM me sometime if she wants to learn more about it. You can't get the full story from only one side of it.


Good luck, Ryan.

 

all i can say...is that ur sister seems to be a perfect example of what i like to call an "anti-stoner"...heres my mission to you...FIX THAT PROBLEM, than you two can blaze together in perfect harmony...he,he

 

*under breath*

moron

 

bug man... note the "he..he" that implies i was joking,MORON!

 

My mom told her.. I told my mom I smoke and she allows it so she told my sister one day. I didn't think it was the smartest thing to do, but whatever, it was done before I could have a say in it.

Thanks for the help everyone I put all of this into one huge document that I'm sending to her. And I'm going to talk to her about it.

Sag, I'm gonna give her your screen name.

 

Put sag's post at the top of the document, it was very well stated.

 

I did

Here's what I have so far:

There's many things to address here. The first I'd like to address is that yes, marijuana is a smoked drugs, and that will have adverse effects on the lungs. But, what you haven't heard is that the drug, THC, is a very beneficial drug to the lungs. THC will actually dilate your bronchial passage-ways more when you're high, allowing easier breathing. Some asthma sufferes even use marijuana for relief. As a matter of fact, I have a very close friend whoes left lung had sealed off due to a rare condition. He started smoking marijuana, and the lung opened back up. His doctor sent him to a specialist, and the specialist actually confirmed that not only was marijuana responsible for opening the lung back up, but if he hadn't smoked it, his lung would've completely collapsed. It's been shown to prevent such illnesses like bronchitis, emphasema, and many others due to it's bronchial-dilating effects, and its tendency to clear out deep parts of your lungs of other things like tobacco smoke, or pollution.

Another thing that she may not realize about tobacco smoke that the reason so many people contract cancer from it is not because of the tar, but because of other chemicals in it. Specifically polonium 210, and lead 211, which are both radioactive chemicals that can be found in tobacco smoke and leave caches in your lung. In 1990, Surgeon General C. Everette Coop even cited the two chemicals for the cause of 90% of tobacco-related lung-cancer cases in the U.S.

Not only does tar not play a role in cancer as big as she may have thought before, marijuana is actually lower in tarry material. The organizations that conduct studies, like NIDA, use very low quality marijuana, and they lose the leaves of the plant. The leaves usually contain 3 - 5 times more tar than the flowers of the plant, which is what most users smoke. There've been a lot of comparisons, most very inconsistent, claiming one joint is equal to 3 cigarettes. In fact, the claim themselves seem to be nothing but propaganda, as each year the number of cigarettes a joint to see to be risen, or lowered. Funny thing is, the increases and decreases just don't correspond to any studies, because NIDA, and no other organizations have reported doing any studies concerning the tar content in the last few years.

Marijuana will effect your memory and learning, but it's simply because the way it leaves the body takes longer than most drugs. When you're down from a high, you still have THC in your system. Sometimes, it's enough THC in the system to slightly depleat your melatonin supply, which leads to lack of REM sleep. If you didn't know, REM sleep is when short-term memory is transfered to long-term memroy. That being said, if you read a chapter on world history one day, and you didn't tranfer that from short-term to long-term, you won't learn it. But, the way to solve all this is to take melatonin supplements.

You can't become physically addicted to marijuana. There's still a pretty large risk for psychological addiction. This type of addiction can happen with nearly anything. Some people exhibit this type of addiction with sex, TV, the internet, video games, and none of these things are even drugs. There's an Internet Anonymous, a TV Anonymous, and those aren't addictive drugs.

When we normally talk about addiction, there's a fine line between chemical dependency and addiction. Chemical dependcy is generally where your body won't function correctly without that chemical. Addiction is basically strong psychological craving for the drug. Both are negative things, but when using marijuana in moderation, it's easy to avoid addiction. When you hear about those people who have sleeplessness, anxiety, and aggression when trying to quit, the studies don't tell you those are people that have been smoking it every day, all day, for 15+ years.

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Some of marijuana’s adverse health effects may occur because THC impairs the immune system’s ability to fight off infectious diseases and cancer. In laboratory experiments that exposed animal and human cells to THC or other marijuana ingredients, the normal disease-preventing reactions of many of the key types of immune cells were inhibited. In other studies, mice exposed to THC or related substances were more likely than unexposed mice to develop bacterial infections and tumors.

WRONG

Modern research suggests that cannabis is a valuable aid in the treatment of a wide range of clinical applications.[4] These include pain relief -- particularly of neuropathic pain (pain from nerve damage) -- nausea, spasticity, glaucoma, and movement disorders.[5] Marijuana is also a powerful appetite stimulant, specifically for patients suffering from HIV, the AIDS wasting syndrome, or dementia.[6] Emerging research suggests that marijuana's medicinal properties may protect the body against some types of malignant tumors[7] and are neuroprotective.[8]

Sources:
4. Several books explore this issue in further detail. These include: A. Mack and J. Joy. 2001. Marijuana as Medicine: The Science Beyond the Controversy. Washington, DC: National Academy Press; L. Iverson. 2000. The Science of Marijuana. New York: Oxford University Press; B. Zimmerman et al. 1998. Is Marijuana the Right Medicine for You?; C. Conrad. 1997. Hemp for Health: The Medicinal and Nutritional Uses of Cannabis Sativa. Rochester VT: Healing Arts Press; L. Grinspoon and J. Bakalar J. 1997. Marihuana the Forbidden Medicine; E. Rosenthal et al. 1997. Marijuana Medical Handbook. Oakland: Quick American Archives; and R. Mechoulam. (Ed.) 1986. Cannabinoids as Therapeutic Agents. Boca Raton: CRC Press.

5. NSW (New South Wales) Working Party on the Use of Cannabis for Medicinal Purposes. 2000. Report of the Working Party on the Use of Cannabis for Medical Purposes. Sydney: Parliament House; J. Joy et al. 1999. Marijuana and Medicine: Assessing the Science Base. Washington, DC: National Academy Press; House of Lords Select Committee on Science and Technology. 1998. Ninth Report. Cannabis: The Scientific and Medical Evidence. London: The Stationary Office; J. Morgan and L. Zimmer. 1997. Marijuana Myths, Marijuana Facts: A Review of the Scientific Evidence. New York: Lindesmith Center; Grinspoon and Bakalar. 1997. Marihuana the Forbidden Medicine.

6. Joy et al. 1999. Marijuana and Medicine: Assessing the Science Base.

7. I. Galve-Roperph et al. 2000. Antitumoral action of cannabinoids: involvement of sustained ceramide accumulation of ERK activation. Nature Medicine 6: 313-319.

8. M. Van der Stelt et al. 2001. Neuroprotection by delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol, the main active compound in marijuana, against ouabain-induced in vivo excitotoxicity. The Journal of Neuroscience 21: 6475-6479; J. Joy et al. 1999. Marijuana and Medicine: Assessing the Science Base.


Cannabis Shrinks Tumors
NewScientist reports: "Cannabis extracts may shrink brain tumours and other cancers by blocking the growth of the blood vessels which feed them, suggests a new study. An active component of the street drug has previously been shown to improve brain tumours in rats. But now Manuel Guzmán at Complutense University, Spain, and colleagues have demonstrated how the cannabis extracts block a key chemical needed for tumours to sprout blood vessels – a process called angiogenesis."

Here's some pot facts:

- Marijuana is the third most popular recreational drug in America (behind only alcohol and tobacco), and has been used by nearly 80 million Americans. According to government surveys, some 20 million Americans have smoked marijuana in the past year, and more than 11 million do so regularly despite the laws against its use.

- Marijuana is far less dangerous than alcohol or tobacco. Around 50,000 people die each year from alcohol poisoning. Similarly, more than 400,000 deaths each year are attributed to tobacco smoking. By comparison, marijuana is nontoxic and cannot cause death by overdose.

- According to the prestigious European medical journal, The Lancet, "The smoking of cannabis, even long-term, is not harmful to health. ... It would be reasonable to judge cannabis as less of a threat ... than alcohol or tobacco."

-There are many activities in our society that are permissible for adults, but forbidden for children, such as motorcycle riding, skydiving, signing contracts, getting married, drinking alcohol or smoking tobacco.

-Some research has even suggested that low doses of marijuana may sometimes improve driving performance

-Cannabis is said by most experts to be safer than alcohol and many prescription drugs with motorists

-The DEA said quote "You would have to ingest more than 15,000 lbs in 15 minutes to experience toxic effects from marijuana"

-Marijuana is one of the least toxic substances known to man.

-Marijuana is smoked in extremely smaller doses than cigarettes, so there's virtually no risk of smoke causing anything as long as it's exhaled at a reasonable rate.

-It was recently proved that Marijuana has NO lasting effect on the brain whatsoever.

-There has never been a single death directly from Marijuana.

(Continued next post)

 

-Government experts now admit that pot doesn't kill brain cells.
1. This myth came from a handful of animal experiments in which structural changes (not actual cell death, as is often alleged) were observed in brain cells of animals exposed to high doses of pot. Many critics still cite the notorious monkey studies of Dr. Robert G. Heath, which purported to find brain damage in three monkeys that had been heavily dosed with cannabis.
2. This work was never replicated and has since been discredited by a pair of better controlled, much larger monkey studies, one by Dr. William Slikker of the National Center for Toxicological Research and the other by Charles Rebert and Gordon Pryor of SRI International.
3. Neither found any evidence of physical alteration in the brains of monkeys exposed to daily doses of pot for up to a year. Human studies of heavy users in Jamaica and Costa Rica found no evidence of abnormalities in brain physiology.

*It is worth noting that other drugs, including alcohol, are known to cause brain damage.

-There is no scientific evidence for the theory that marijuana is a "gateway" drug.
The gateway theory took hold in the sixties, when marijuana became the leading new recreational drug. It was refuted by events in the eighties, when cocaine abuse exploded at the same time marijuana use declined.

-Studies are showing that THC and other cannabinoids actually improve the immune system and can help fight/shrink tumors: NewScientist reports: "Cannabis extracts may shrink brain tumours and other cancers by blocking the growth of the blood vessels which feed them, suggests a new study. An active component of the street drug has previously been shown to improve brain tumours in rats. But now Manuel Guzmán at Complutense University, Spain, and colleagues have demonstrated how the cannabis extracts block a key chemical needed for tumours to sprout blood vessels – a process called angiogenesis."

-In truth "marijuana" comes from the spanish names Maria and Juan, that is, Mary and John, the two people who stood at Jesus' feet when he died on the cross. Marijuana was likened to those two because it stood by the lower class man during hard times.

Here's an excerpt from a testimony at NORML (The National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws):

" It's time we put to rest the myth that smoking marijuana is a fringe or deviant activity, engaged in only by those on the margins of American society. In reality, marijuana smoking is extremely common, and marijuana is the recreational drug of choice for millions of mainstream, middle class Americans. According to the most recent NIDA data[2], between 66 million Americans have smoked marijuana at some time in their lives, 18 million have smoked marijuana in the last year, and 10 million are current smokers (have smoked as at least once in the last month). In fact, NIDA found that 80% of all current illicit drug users report that marijuana is the only drug they have used. A recent national survey of voters found that 34% -- one third of the voting adults in the country -- acknowledged having smoked marijuana at some point in their lives[3].
Marijuana smokers in this country are no different from their non-smoking peers, except for their marijuana use. "
2. National Institute on Drug Abuse, Preliminary Estimates from the 1995 National Household Survey on Drug Abuse (Department of Health and Human Services, Public Health Service, Bethesda, MD, August 1996).
3. ACLU National Survey of Voters' Opinions on the Use and Legalization of Marijuana for Medical Purposes (March 31-April 5, 1995).


Besides, pot smoking is healthier for you than smoking cigarettes..there has never been one documented case of cancer that was due to pot. Pot effects the larger airways in your lungs while tobacco effects the smaller ones. That's why tobacco messes up your lungs.

An estimated 22.5% of all adults (46 million people) smoke cigarettes in the United States. Cigarette smoking kills 440,000 people each year. That means, on average, 1 out of 115 people will get cancer from cigarettes.


Response from a member at HipForums.com:
She says the reason that you don't see that is because you look at biased sites, but the studies the gov't and the DEA uses for their case against weed are incredibly biased... back inthe 70s? (correct me if im wrong, i don't remember exactly how it went down) the scientist that was conducting studies on Monkeys concluded you can OD on pot and you lose brain cells, but he also gave them more smoke then anyone can naturally inhale or take in, and he cut oxygen off to them...
Yeah, the scientist was lazy (or wanted to fuck the results) and instead of spacing out the testing (making the monkeys smoke marijuana), he put oxygen masks on them and pumped the equivalent of 63 joints into each monkey's lungs in the space of 5 minutes. Then, surprise surprise, when he disected their brains, he found all kinds of dead cells! Couldn't have anything to do with lack of oxygen and excessive amounts of carbon monoxide, though, right? This study is the basis of "weed kills brain cells." Internationally, this study was laughed at for the joke that it is, yet it was often cited (still sometimes is) as evidence here in the states.




Ben Harper - Burn One Down
Let us burn one, from end to end.
And pass is over to me my friend.
Burn it long, but burn it slow,
to light me up before I go.

If you dont like my fire, then dont come around.
Cause I'm gonna burn one down.
Yes I'm gonna burn one down

My choice is what i chose to do;
and if I'm causin no harm,
it shouldn't bother you.
Your choice is who you chose to be;
and if your causin to harm, then your alright with me.

If you dont like my fire, then dont come around, cause I'm gona burn one down.
Yes i'm gonna burn one, down.

Herb the gift, from the Earth,
and what's from the earth is of the greatest worth.
So before u knock it, try it first.
and you'll see it's a blessing and it's not a curse.
If you dont like my fire, then dont come around,
cause i'm gonna burn one down.
Yes i'm gonna burn one.



Cannabinoid receptors are naturally grown in the brain, so the brain wouldn't create it if it was going to kill it.


Quote from the email:
" One study has indicated that a user’s risk of heart attack more than quadruples in the first hour after smoking marijuana. The researchers suggest that such an effect might occur from marijuana’s effects on blood pressure and heart rate and reduced oxygen-carrying capacity of blood."
This study was conducted over a very wide range of people, with no discrimnation of present health and heart conditions. Someone else also raised a valid point. Someone else also pointed out that if you're healthy, then your risk for heart attack is probably already pretty low, so the acute rise during the high probably won't effect you very much. Heart attacks aren't hereditary, heart disease is. Your family's long line of heart problems just doesn't pertain to heart attacks, because they're not a genetic happening. So, if you're a normal, healthy teen, your risk for a heart attack isn't going to be that high to begin with.