London Security Incident!

It could all be very different if we had a different government. The NHS and the benefit system were put in place by a Labour govt. It's the tories and their masters in the corporate and banking world, as well as their media cronies that are the real 'enemies of the people'. IMO it was largely the Daily Mail that ensured cannabis got put back to class 2.

I'm no fan of the British state and I'd like to see very radical changes. 'Democratic values' are rather thin on the ground these days, which is why the Brexit vote was such as disaster.A gift to the tories. May can now claim that she's executing the 'will of the people', and it seems Labour have just rolled over and given her carte blanche. Thus the illusion of democracy is maintained. Will the people be given a vote on anything else - drug policy, fracking, nuclear weapons? NO.

Although I do think this country is pretty fucked, I do also see good things. Not everyone is a tory stooge. Not everyone has their thinking controlled by the Sun or the Mail. My guess is that although things are bad now, they're likely to get a lot worse over the next few years. If it gets bad enough, perhaps people will then start to see the need for change.

 

I'm not saying everything is bad. There are things I like about the UK. I even don't mind the weather, if I'm high. But that's the problem, we're not allowed to get high, for our own safety.

I was merely pointing out the emptiness of Corbyn's words. I'm sure he means well, but to a degree he is also pandering to the media, saying what is expected of him. I'd rather he stood up and be honest, thoughts to the victims, terrible and all that... but is it really surprising the way the government and the sheep that follow them have been behaving?

We are not a democracy, there has been no democracy in this country for as long as I can remember, only the illusion of it. So why praise our "wonderful democratic values"? They aren't there! It's very disingenuous of Corbyn to say these things.

His own party that he was democratically elected on two landslides as leader are still out to hang him. Labour is at war with itself. The tories, the lib dems all are too to a degree. the country is divided on Brexit, Scottish independence, drugs laws, most things...

A healthy democracy should be built on (near) unanimity, but there's none anywhere. And everyone just conforms like chickenshits, it's pathetic.

We need a revolution now. But it's not going to happen "because we're British!"

 

Again, the problem is in one way that what we have isn't one country but different regions with different needs and aspirations. As long as we have direct government from Westminster and the unfair first-past-the-post voting system, nothing is really going to change. That's why I am in favour of Scot's independence. It might be the start of a landslide where other regions would also want autonomy.
Never going to get much common feeling between an upper middle class London exec. and an unemployed person from the North East, so any kind of unity will remain elusive.

If things go on as they are, I think the disunity will only increase. It's become quite polarized these days.

I don't really see Corbyn as the answer. No doubt he'd be better than May and her crew, but under him it would still be business as usual. Old fashioned industrial socialism isn't going to do it. We need a new agenda, and IMO that has to be Green in colour, not blue, red or yellow.
I don't doubt that Corbyn is well intentioned, but he's yesterday, not tomorrow.

So yes- a revolution. But a revolution where we get rid of dependency on fossil fuels, start treating people like adults in terms of things like drug policy,have a sate that actually cares about people, and give them a genuine say in how things are run.

 

Can't argue with that.

And I'm all for the greens too, but sadly they are still so much of a fringe party that they will never get elected in to office. Maybe in Scotland if it goes indpendent, but there there is PR anyway so they already have a proportionate share of the way things are run based on the vote.

Corbyn is unlikely to get elected while all the Blairites continue to conspire behind his back. It will be because of them, and because of 10-13 years of the Blair-Brown brothers that Labour is currently (probably) unelectable. Not because Corbyn is a weak leader. People don't take him seriously because they are not used to someone who is so down to earth and way more like the working class people than any PM we've had for as long as I've been alive.

Blair had the chance to introduce PR when he got elected in 1997 but he chose not to, and now we're stuck with the tory scum party again.

 

Great posts guys! But just to keep everyone happy..

http://www.itv.com/news/story/2017-03-24/live-updates-westminster-attack-investigation/

 

Holy fuck, he was in Gregory's Girl???

 

What? Quote it WD..lol

 

Uh I meant IN Gregory's Girl, you know the film. Bad typo there...

 

You need to watch this! How organised are they..Is she going nuts?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/24/video-shows-moment-theresa-may-rushed-car-london-terror-attack/

 

She's definitely having a wee there.

 

Never voted Tories once in my life so you are Wrong about that! I Was a member of the Labour And Union member for 35 Years
If you Have any ( sensible ) answers let's Hear them ?

 

I figured.

I was evading your question because I found it offensive.

 

Hey you two..Be have, or i will get me stick out!

 

Ooh er.

 

Hahaha had me checking if i actually said that! Ya bad boy!

 

I find your Attitude to my Country Offensive That's why I suggested you Find somewhere that suits you Better instead of just Running it down all the time

 

Oh it's YOUR country is it!

Well maybe I like MY country, ie. SCOTLAND and I don't like very much being "ruled by WANKERS".

 

Who are You Calling a Wanker ? and yes its my country of Birth

 

You guys shouldn't fight! The UK is a wonderful country. You've both been personable, at least to me, on more than one occasion. I don't see any reason for us all to not get along.

Planning on visiting London this year. I think it will be somewhat tragic to see Westminster Bridge in this context, but I think it will still be a truly vibrant experiecne!

 

What if some of us find your attitude offensive? Should we tell you to go elsewhere with it?