Liberals posing as freedom fighters.

Back in the day, Liberals actually supported Civil Liberties. (if you could Imagine such a thing.)
Liberals STILL think they're working toward the betterment of this country, when in reality, they're playing into the desire of government. They support higher taxes, more wasteful government programs, Drones/war, (if the POTUS is Democratic) and, worse of all; they blindly follow obama no matter what he's saying/doing.

Unconstitutional wars with Libya/ Syria

Giving himself the right to indefinitely detain Americans with No trial

Taking away the 1st Amendment, when one is around secret service

Taking away the Constitution, most notably the second Amendment.

The truth is, Liberals don't want to blame our first black president for ANYTHING!!!


It's true that the president is just a puppet of the Elite, but Obama has less of an excuse than Bush for doing this shit. Bush was an idiot!! Everyone knew there was no brains in there, he just did what his Daddy and Dick Cheney wanted... However, Obama knows what he's doing!!! He started in with Libya and made an unconstitutional ragime change, nearly single-handedly.

All the unconstitutional Laws I mentioned, Obama signed his name on! He could've NOT signed it and expressed his disapproval to the American people, but he didn't. In fact, his administration fought tooth and nail for the right to "detain American Citizens indefinitely without trial!!!"


He is in-your-face world government. If you don't believe me, watch his speech in England, Ireland and, Australla; He talks in favor of such "Collectivism" that Liberals think they support.

I've even heard Some Liberals express approval of World Government, saying that it is somehow "Beneficial" because of the "good stuff" they do.
The "good stuff" you love soo much when Obama's in office, you hated when Bush did it.

Liberals are hypocritical. They believe women should be able to kill babies, but responsible gun owners can't protect themselves. I consistently try to get the large group of Liberals to explain themselves, and I hear the same shit Bush supporters used to say "If you don't like it here, leave!" "Well, he signed the law but he had to."

NO ONE was holding a gun to his head; He decided to perpetually violate the Constitution, and he will go down in history as the most corrupt president ever!

So any Liberals care to defend yourself?

You mostly all say, I have a different definition, but no, I know what you guys believe. I just think it's obviously more hurtful than helpful! Esp since the government only plugs the gap, and nothing more.

We're 16 trillion in debt, and Liberals want to spend/tax more. Liberals are fighting against freedom and for total government control. Communism is where EVERYTHING is made by government; even smart phones for example. But when the government does something, you get shitty service, shitty qaulity and you're overspending on it to begin with!!!

 

I'm pretty sure, lots of Liberals were NOT backing Obama's position regarding Syria.

Most of the country, did not want to go into Syria, and this is from all political parties voicing this.

Political pundits though, were saying something very different from the common citizen though. The pundits are wrong.

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I will also say that I don't think liberals in this country want to push this country into Communism, where government makes everything and nothing is privately owned.

The government subsidizing something to encourage certain sectors or type of technology to grow in the economy, is very different from taking away ownership of private property and the government stepping in and owning it.

 

Taking away the 1st Amendment, when one is around secret service

He is in-your-face world government. If you don't believe me, watch his speech in England, Ireland and, Australla; He talks in favor of such "Collectivism" that Liberals think they support.

Liberals are hypocritical. They believe women should be able to kill babies, but responsible gun owners can't protect themselves.

 

You're such a child in your thinking. I'm very liberal but I don't blindly follow our president

 

I didn't say all Liberals support the president. And btw- you're childish to actually believe Redistribution of Wealth is anything but stealing. You may not support the president, but he's doing the bidding of Liberals. I've talked to so many Liberals- Here, and in person. You all actually believe Government spending is going to get us out of the slump, that was caused by too much government spending. How does that make any sense? You also think that "taxing the rich" means taxing the 1%, whereas, the government IS the 1%. Also, someone said on the other topic, that someone making 500k a year is greedy and deserves their money taken away. That's totally fascist to think people don't deserve the money they earned.

I used to be a Liberal; I wanted government to help everyone. Then I grew up, and realized it's a hoax. Government CAN'T protect everyone and they def CAN'T afford anymore programs- humanitarian or not.

I support the Liberal ideas on the drug war, but you guys also support the murder of unborn babies, taking away guns and taxing the people, who are way overtaxed already.

It is corporations and government destroying this country. Liberals blame corporations, and place NO blame on government. (unless they're right-wing)

Do you support communism? Some of you do, and some don't; You guys are headed in that direction either way. You want more government spending, right? Perhaps more people to spy on us, or more soldiers to gaurd Afgani Opium. Why don't you defend your beliefs instead of throwing names at me!? That's childish.


And OdonII, I posted my source for HR347 (The ACLU,) and you STILL sided with the government. You're a government sympathizer, a subject of the queens!

 

I've met tons of liberals who think communism is ideal. Plus, the government has been subsidizing, and like clock-work: The price goes UP, quality goes down and, less people are able to obtain help. It's the same situation in Medicare, scholarships and, home loans. Government subsidize on the housing market is what caused the 2008 crash.

Moreover, what happened to the banks since they made off with their TARP money? They fired people, stopped giving out loans and are stockpiling our money, because the president decided they were "too big to fail."

It's virtually impossible for the problem to be the solution. The corporations control government; I think it's foolish to assume they'll somehow correct themselves, by voting for the other bought-and-paid for, politician.

 

It seem the word liberal means something totally different to you and me. I'm a little more flexible in my definition. And it seems there is no reasonable thinking on your part, it's all set in stone to you.

 

There's no reasonable thinking in your part. You can't support something until you're called out on it. I know what Liberals support, because they parade it everywhere.

Flexible how? I know Liberals are "different" (they're not exactly alike,) but spending more is inherently bad, because government itself is inherently bad. We had to bring the Constitution to court just a few decades after it was written, and the court declared no law is above the Constitution. Many Liberals want to throw it out the window, merely because it was written a long time ago. But they totally fail to recognize the freedoms promised in it, are the ONLY freedoms we have left as American Citizens.

Again, you're name calling and using nothing to back your position. If I'm wrong about Liberals, show me! I am being cocky and arrogant, because I've not heard one viable alternative to save this country, coming from Liberals. In fact, y'all support the status quo, so why would anything suddenly change? It wont.

Liberals tell me my ideals are idealistic, whereas it is much more idealistic to expect government to take care of 300 million people, fairly and equally, without violating our civil liberties. But Liberals don't much care about civil liberties anyway. I'm sure most liberals (esp RJ) would LOVE to ban the freedom of speech , to protect Obama from evil cons.

I mean, if you guys haven't given up on government, then you must have dependency issues. They are totally illegit and corrupt; nearly everyone knows it. But suddenly, since Obama came along, I'm "crazy" and, "building wallsof paranoia" and all that other Liberal Jargon.

You're not fooling anyone but yourself. I think you guys feel the need to insult me because you don't LIKE what I'm saying, and you have no way to defend it. But, instead of admitting you're wrong, you have to put me and my principles down, meanwhile, Liberals do support the powers that be, anyway you want to sugarcoat it.

Suddenly Mr Writer tells me

" Nobody is trying to take your guns. You have built yourself up into your own little hovel of fear and paranoia, and now you cannot trust anybody around you"

REALLY? Cause last I checked the government planned to attack us, kills US citizens and, manipulates governments worldwide, but sure, I'm just paranoid about nothing at all.

I despise Liberals because they KNOW the truth, but they're hiding from it, cause they don't want to deal with the reality or magnitude of the danger we're facing. They say no one is trying to take my guns, and yet, they support taking guns away, with force and GUNS. It's so hypocritical, and wrong.

And I'll keep calling you guys out, until someone can defend these hypocrisies (which can't happen, because Liberals support the government, and our government is the biggest terrorist on this planet!)

 

The ACLU is considered liberal but yet it's soul purpose is to defend the constitution. How does that fall into your thinking?

 

Fighting for freedom of choice, freedom from fascism, freedom from poverty, freedom from ignorance, Yeah, I can see that. The real posers are the cons pretending to be Americans.

 

Liberals no longer defend Civil Liberties. IF the ACLU actually is Liberal, they're still willing to contest Obama (unlike most of you.) You guys don't defend the Constitution, at all!

Look at RJ here, all he cares about is dissing on Libertarians. He doesn't care if Obama violates the Constitution or, starts wars- Like most of you, he blames it on the nearest republican.

Plus, you didn't defend WHY spending more would help, nor did you tell me why you think I'm wrong about Liberalism. Again, there's no defense for it. Ok- maybe 1 in a million of you support the Constitution, that doesn't forgive the 90% that are working to get it null and void.

Liberals today, sound just like Bush supporters of '05. Granted, not all Liberals are the same, but you support the same ideals that would just concentraite wealth to the top 1%, while burying the rest of us in debt and taxes.

Texas can't even afford to pave their roads; I don't know why Liberals think we need more government spending. Oh we know Texas can't pave roads, but as long as they provide healthcare, and other pointless services, we don't need no fucking roads!

You guys support government being everyone's mom, yet we're dead broke. There's no more money to spend, and 'taxing the rich' wont fix that.

If Liberalism is so great, then explain to me how spending more will fix the economy?? It wont, cause it's a Big Liberal Lie! Real economist knows, To create jobs we must lower taxes and regulations. Even the government knows this. Instead, they think they can manipulate the economy.

 

None of those things are freedom. Plus, you're far from "free from ignorance."

There's no such thing as "freedom of choice," abortion is killing an unborn child. Plus we're FAR from freedom from fascism. Fuck! I can't even smoke a joint in this God-Forsaken country! Also no one is "free" from poverty, with or without government. The government doesn't move people out of the ghetto, dude, they just give them foodstamps. You're free to spend your money as you please, believe what religion you'd like, the freedom to own guns etc. These are the freedom Liberals are fighting against.

And your "freedoms" is a bunch of BS. A women doesn't have the "right" to take a human life, no matter how Liberals want to sugarcoat it. I would be just as justified to kill a random person off the street, as a woman would to kill an unborn child!

What about the freedom to decide what goes in my body??

What about the freedom of speech/religion?

What about freedom from unreasonable searches?

These are only a few, your Liberal Leader is trying to take away from us, and you want us to exchange that, for some so-called 'freedom' you just made up?

Take a walk! You're so brainwashed, it's actually pretty funny. (you're a terrific example of Liberalism)

LMAO!

 

Actually, I'm calm because Liberals can't defend their views. You guys look incredibly stupid defending Liberalism as a whole. You've just proved my point

Liberals:

Can't defend their views, under scrutiny.

Liberals go against the Constitution

Liberals throw names out, instead of any viable alternative

Liberals are brainwashed.

You all sound the same, you have NOTHING new or of significance to say.


I'm over here laughing my ass off at your stupidity. You're defending something, by dissing on me..

Just like I said "Liberals argument, is always "DENY and Deflect." No substantial thought, no logical explanation- just name calling and ignorance!

 

who are you even talking to ? You keep saying "you" won't defend your views. Who is "you" ?

 

If I was quoting someone, I was probably talking to them. If you want to defend your views, feel free. At this point, I see no good in Liberalism. They want this same government, more taxes and, guns taken away. That means they support total government control. Then, they turn around and say I'm wrong! I'm not, they just can't accept that they're supporting the status quo.

Well, they are. Obama=Bush=Clinton=Romney= Goldman Sachs/ Jp Morgan.

 

You refer to 'Liberals' as a homogeneous group, but then as soon as someone says "hey, I'm liberal and that isn't what I believe!" you try and say that you're not referring to all liberals.

Just for my own curiosity, why do you always capitalize the L? Liberal is not a proper noun unless you're referring to a member of the Liberal party, which you don't have in the US.

 

Can you explain what you believe liberalism is, without referring to any current or past politicians or their policies, but just in a general sense? Because I think we're all operating with different understandings of the term and it is making it very hard to discuss.

 

Well, I've been around for 74 years and I have never met 1 person--liberal-conservative-libertarian-independent-or socialists, in my life in this country that wants communism. Never. That's not a valid point.

 

Ok. It is hard though cause you have classic liberals and Neo-liberals, then you have democratic liberals.


Classic Liberals believe in freedom and the Constitution. private property etc. (Libertarianism is classic Liberalism)

Neo Liberals believe government should provide healthcare, schooling,unemployment, free pre K and, foodstamps. (some believe in disarmament.) This would increase the size and scope of government significantly.

Democratic Liberals- follow Obama, (may believe in freedom,) but oppose it by supporting him/ Clinton. They support disarmament of citizens, and oppose anyone who side with the right, even a little.


I can't think of a better way to explain it, without offending anyone.

 

Evidently you didn't go to OWS, or the "communism" thread here. Many Liberals support communism.(your lucky you haven't met them.) and even if you don't, you support "free" healthcare and "free" pre K, which isn't near free, cause it's gonna sky rocket our taxes and debt.