Liberal Media’S List Of Societal Victims To Mollycoddle:

So a couple weeks back, I made a post in the wake of the Orlando shooting that said something like, "The problem with the left putting Muslims at the top of their societal victim list, is that they want to kill or take the human rights away from everyone else on that list." (I'll admit it was a hyperbolic statement in some ways). Inevitably I was asked what "List" I was talking about. So I thought I'd spell it all out for everyone with my own list of oppressed victims of society in accordance to my own observations.

1. Muslims
2. Transgenders
3. Illegal Immigrants
4. The Obese (body positivity cult)
5. Black People
6. Women of Color
7. The LGB community
8. People of Color
9. Women in general
10. Jews

No matter how this list gets re-arranged, Muslims are currently at the top and it appears it’s gonna be this way for a while. There's probably a few more groups who belong on this list who I couldn't think of at the moment. But the one group you will NEVER see put on this list are CIS White Males, as they are the patriarchal oppressors who don’t know what it’s like to be poor or face discrimination. Unlike the groups on the list, they are open game for acts of shaming, guilt-tripping, racism, discrimination, and ridicule without any protection from the shield of political correctness.

 

^every group you mentioned is discriminated against every day all over the world

Pc isnt stopping anyone from assuming all muslims are terrorists, or prevented bills specifically targeting transgenders in NC and essentially making it illegal for them to utilize existing discrimination laws, , it hasnt kept black men from being shot for selling cds or loosy cigarettes, it hasnt prevented illegal immigrants from being scapegoated for all the problems of the lower middle class, it hasnt prevented rapists from getting the lightest slap on the wrist for the crime of brutally assaulting and raping women.

How has political correctness created any kind of shield around these groups of people?

This line of thinking always comes across a little self serving to me. If you want to make genuine complaints about the discrimination you face as a white man, go right ahead - but i'm just not following the logic behind somehow downplay the hardships of other demographics just to make some kind of point about how hard it is to be a white man.

 

While I don't consider this discrimination, I have been the target of "ridicule" and "shaming" because I am not a Christian, by white male Christians predictably enough. It doesn't bother me in the slightest since I don't give a s**t what they think of me; however, it does make it hard for me to feel sorry for people who complain about the liberal media not treating them "fairly". To the contrary, it makes me more sympathetic towards the groups you have listed. I guess number 11 on your list can be "non-Christians".

For what it's worth, I hate the damn media but for different reasons than what you are talking about. They report sensationalized stories over the important news, playing down to the lowest common denominator viewer, chasing the all-important ratings. The news in America has become just another form of dark entertainment.

 

Indeed. Everyone does at some point in their lives. Yet I'd say the west and the USA, while it isn't perfect, has done a pretty good job at liberating these groups and giving them the rights they fought hard for. Many places around the world are still executing these groups (including homosexuals and rape victims).

I'm currently living with 3 black muslims from Africa and we get along great. My roommate had 2 family members move in temporarily while they find a new apartment. Never once have I ever considered them terrorists or felt unsafe around them. I can't vouch for ignorant people who continue to stereotype others though.

As far as the transgender laws in NC, it seems to me like it's a law that would be tough to enforce in the first place. Isn't the point of transgenderism to try to look like the opposite sex without question? If you can look like the opposite gender, then you could probably get away with using the other bathroom. Case closed. True transgenders make up less than 0.3% of the population. Ever since Caitlin Jenner being glorified in the media as a brave and stunning woman, there have been lots of confused and troubled adolescents who think they are transgender when they really aren't. With society's praise of body modification and sex changes, it subconsciously encourages the idea that a sex change is appropriate for people younger than 18 years of age. Many of them grow out of it when they get into adulthood and become normal gay people. There have been a rise in psychiatrists diagnosing young toddlers with gender identity disorder because of this. It's disturbing. And the fact that these mental health experts could face serious scrutiny and risk losing their careers for telling their patients they aren't transgender and don't need sex changes, is a cause and affect of political correctness. Some of these young people who get sex changes at an early age, grow up to regret it and wind up killing themselves. To be fair, there are some people who are better off and happier after their transition. But we should not be encouraging it as an act of bravery for the safety of the confused adolescent.

Illegal immigrants DO impact the lower middle class the most. They keep their wages down and their jobs are lost to them. It's no wonder racism is most prevalent in the under educated lower class.

Statistics show that black on black violence and murder is far more prevalent than cop on black police brutality and murder.

Yes, it is always disgusting when a rapist gets a light sentencing. However, there is no rape culture like many college campuses would like their students to believe. I've heard the 1:4 college females will get raped talking point before; it's a lie. That is more like the rape statistics of the war-torn Congo region where rape is used as an act of warfare. Furthermore, in male prisons where the worst of men wind up, rapists are at the very bottom of the prisoner hierarchy in the big house, and they are treated the worst.

Let's take a look at Europe:

-Raped German politician lies about rapist's nationality to stop "racism" http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/07/06/raped-german-politician-lied-attackers-nationality-stop-racism/
-Sweden cancels Gay Pride because it's racist against muslims http://louderwithcrowder.com/sweden-now-condemns-gay-march-as-racist-against-muslims/
-British police do nothing to stop Muslim rape gangs for fear of being "racist" https://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/08/uk-1400-non-muslim-children-exploited-by-muslim-rape-gangs-authorities-did-nothing-for-fear-of-being-thought-as-racist
-London mayor bans sexy women in advertisements to fight body shaming http://dailycaller.com/2016/06/13/londons-muslim-mayor-bans-sexy-women-in-advertisements/

United States:

-Obama administration changes "Allah" to "God" in the FBI transcripts of the Orlando Massacre http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/allah-orlando-terrorism-transcript-changed-god
-Neighbors of San Bernardino shooters did not report suspicious activity for fear of racial profiling http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3344736/Neighbors-Saudi-husband-wife-San-Bernardino-shooters-noticed-acting-suspiciously-did-NOT-report-fear-racial-profiling.html
-Planet Fitness revokes woman's gym membership for reporting a man in the woman's locker room http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/07/living/feat-planet-fitness-transgender-member/

These articles, and many others I can dig up, are solid evidence that political correctness can be a significant danger to our society. The fear of being labeled a racist or a bigot has led to the consequences of innocent people getting raped or killed. It also costs people their job for holding certain unpopular opinions. Hell, I can risk getting fired for posting this thread!

PC is fascism disguised as manners. It is a cancer on our society.

 

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[SIZE=12pt]Can such groups collectively commit acts that can be criticized or is it subgroups or individuals that happen to be part of the group who do or say things that can open them to criticism?[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]I mean if an individual gay person commits a crime does that mean all gays can be criticized or just that individual? Can all Muslims be criticized for the acts of IS? [/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]If a feminist, Christian, cross-dressing, gay, black woman of Jewish descent murders someone does that mean all the groups are tainted and can be legitimate targets for blanket criticism? [/SIZE]

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[SIZE=12pt]-Sweden cancels Gay Pride because it's racist against muslims –[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Well this seems when looked at to have been an aggressive act by a far right group specifically designed to try and cause trouble [/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Anti-racist group plans counter-rally against "provocative" parade condemned by Stockholm Pride and LGBT activists. [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]An unofficial gay Pride parade organised by a right-wing nationalist is planned for July 29 to run through a predominantly immigrant neighbourhood with a large Muslim population.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]-London mayor bans sexy women in advertisements to fight body shaming [/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Being against this seems to be contradictory to what you’ve stated elsewhere you don’t seem to like the ‘advertising’ of transgender people because it encourages ‘body modification’ and possible psychological problems but you are for other type of advertising that encourage that as well, but in far greater numbers. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]-Planet Fitness revokes woman's gym membership for reporting a man in the woman's locker room [/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]But it wasn’t a man but a transgender woman – and the woman [/SIZE]Yvette Cormier [SIZE=12pt]didn’t just ‘report’ as far as I can tell she started harassing other members of the gym telling them the gym allowed ‘men’ into the women’s changing rooms, I think it was that action that caused her membership to be cancelled. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]I mean the transgender person [/SIZE]Yvette [SIZE=12pt]accused of frightening her said [/SIZE]"I'm not actually a member. I was there as a guest of my friends," she said, adding that she had asked whether she could use the women's locker room prior to entering and had only used the facilities to hang up her coat and purse.

And as far as I can other members were not that bothered.

 

I agree they shouldn't, but often they do.
The way I see it, every group as its asshole. When you have a big enough group, culture, subculture or whatever, there will be several assholes of that group that will inevitably hurt that said group's image or reputation.

You're no better yourself. Whenever there's been a gun related death, you've been very quick to paint all gun owners with the same brush as paranoid soon-to-be murders.

Note to self: NEVER use metaphors around Balbus. He takes every word literally.

Backtrack to where I said it was a hyperbolic statement. Looks like I can't use hyperboles around you either.

My roommate knows about my gun. He was uncertain at first but he had a good time at the range.

Isn't the point of Pride for the LGB community to display defiance and protest hateful social conservatism? In this case, the muslim migrants being the social conservatives? Sweden is arguably one of the most liberal countries in Europe, and they are shutting down Pride? You're OK with this?

What the hell are you talking about? Sexy women in advertisements has more to do with fueling the insecurities of fat chicks in the body positivity cult. Interesting you somehow alluded it to transgenders. Body shaming obese people WORKS in getting them to exercise and get in shape. Fat people are more taxing on the healthcare system than smokers

If you're gonna be a transgender person, at least put some god damn effort into looking like the opposite sex for christ sake.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dBpR36VFQM

 

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So you want to blame ALL Muslims BUT you know that’s silly? That isn’t a rational argument.

No I don’t but you know that already (can you actually cite any evidence for this claim, when you’ve made it in the past you were unable)

In fact I’ve had to pull up numerous pro-gun advocates for putting forward the killer Americans argument – that it isn’t ease of access to guns that is behind the high levels of murder in the US but that Americans as a group are much more violent and likely to kill than others in developed countries with prudent gun control (or even worse when they hint at a racist element by saying most killings are black on black and imply black Americans are more violent other Americans). Oh and I think you know by now that if you wish me to cite evidence I can do.

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Also I don’t see straight white guys being particularly ‘stabbed’ why do you think that?

Well ‘literally’ would mean I thought straight white guys were getting physically stabbed – but that’s not true I presumed you where speaking metaphorically – but I think you know that and are just trying to get out of giving an answer to my question.

Ok to make it clearer for you to answer - I don’t see straight white guys being particularly ‘stabbed’ in a metaphorical sense - why do you think that?

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Do they know that you think all Muslims ‘want to kill or take the human rights away from everyone else’ and do they know you have a gun hidden in your room?

But your whole argument seems to be that you (and others) want to be able to blanket blame and insult groups (without being criticized). You even give a list of the ones you’d wish to do it to and you specifically picked out ‘Muslims’ – you know seem to be saying that you know it’s actually stupid to blame and insult whole groups for the actions of ‘assholes’ that just happen to be in that group.

So your original argument seems to fall apart.

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Anti-racist group plans counter-rally against "provocative" parade condemned by Stockholm Pride and LGBT activists. An unofficial gay Pride parade organised by a right-wing nationalist is planned for July 29 to run through a predominantly immigrant neighbourhood with a large Muslim population.

Your support the actions of far-right nationalist to try and cause trouble for political gain?

They are not shutting down Pride in fact the official Pride condemned the right wing nationalist parade.

To me the Pride movement was always about celebration and education that seems to be the opposite of what these far right nationalist were trying to do.

Can you please explain your thinking?

Body shaming?

So you believe in collectively punished, individual punishment, for the crime of not conforming to a certain type? What next bring back the stocks?

So what to you and those like you would be ‘acceptable’ are women that you don’t consider ‘sexy’ fair game to be shamed? What about men?

I mean many pictures of women in the media and in advertising have been photo-shopped to take away blemishes, wrinkles, cellulite, and even to make waists slimmer and boobs bigger many are not real, but you’d like these because they punish those you consider not sexy?

[SIZE=12pt]Obese and smokers less of a burden on the NHS than the healthy who live longer – [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]Fat people are less of a burden on the NHS than healthy people who live longer and end up needing 24 hour care, a new report claims. [/SIZE]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/9359212/Obese-and-smokers-less-of-a-burden-on-the-NHS-than-the-healthy-who-live-longer-report.html

And if they don’t are they fair game for your type of shaming and abuse?

 

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Ok, if you whittle down your argument it seems to come down to this – you wish to be able to denigrate, insult and abuse others in accordance with your own personal bias and prejudices but - without being criticised for it - because to you such criticism is ‘political correctness’ and therefore not valid criticism.

Well frankly fuck that, if you are unable to defend your criticisms from criticism then why do you think them any good? Meeting any criticism of what you and those like you are saying with the PC argument when that doesn’t stand up to criticism (as it doesn’t) is not a valid argument.

It seems to me you are just trying to hide your own irrational dislikes and even hates behind a smoke screen of waffle about ‘political correctness’.

 

Considering how many muslims actually cheered on the news of the Orlando shooting, and a Turkish newspaper headline read 50 Perverts Killed in Bar after the incident. I definitely think the religion of peace still has a homophobia problem, with the exception of a few outliers like the Gay Muslims article you posted. Check out these tweets http://www.blazingcatfur.ca/2016/06/12/islamic-twitter-on-orlando/

Gimme a break dude, you always repeat your "Fear" argument every time you participate in a gun policy thread. In that the main reason people choose to own a gun is because of personal fear.

Here's a paraphrased post(s) of yours from 2 years ago:

I'd have extracted a LOT more like this, hadn't your last gun control thread been deleted.

Watch how this liberal protestor debates someone who disagrees with him;
"Your'e a Fucking WHITE MALE! You've never experienced oppression in your entire fucking life!" I guess being a white male nullifies having any vaild opinion on race and socioeconomics these days.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilCmywMin8I

New York K-8th grade school teaches white students they are born racist: http://nypost.com/2016/07/01/elite-k-8-school-teaches-white-students-theyre-born-racist/

"White Mother Fucker!" Elderly white veteran beaten up by minority for supporting Trump. (Imagine how the media would report this issue if the roles were reversed, if it were an elderly black Hillary supporter beaten up by a deranged redneck) http://www.news4jax.com/news/local/jacksonville/police-man-beaten-after-saying-he-was-voting-for-trump

How about Black Lives Matter's recent white cop killings in Dallas? Why isn't the media calling this a Hate Crime? Clearly the coordinators behind that attack were clearly targeting white cops. Another mainstream media double standard. It's bad enough that BLM is a contrived race war that is build up by the media and funded by George Soros, who don't give a flying fuck about the plight of black people. They encourage rioting in black neighborhoods and destroying black owned businesses. I won't even go into the part that it all began on the media lie that Michael Brown said "Hands up don't shoot" before being shot (which never happened).

I could go on but I'm not gonna waste my time.

Actually, the article in Post #4 was from last year when the Swedish government DID condemn the Pride parade for getting too close to a migrant neighborhood.

This year, there will be a Gay Pride rally in Sweden that will travel through a Muslim ghetto led by Milo Yiannopolous Yes I do support it. If the migrants wish to live in a country where gays and women are seen as equal people, they need to integrate themselves to the culture of Native Sweden, not force their culture upon the Swedes. I actually started a thread about it; you're more than welcome to weigh in your objections in my thread at this link: http://www.hipforums.com/forum/topic/476816-milo-yiannopolous-to-lead-swedish-gay-pride-parade-through-muslim-ghetto/


I mean it seems to me like any objections to this only proves my point that the left has made islam-coddling a higher priority than supporting the LGB community.

Ask and ye shall receive: Psycho fat-ass body positivity feminists make bomb threats over Beach Body bikini ad
http://www.cnbc.com/2015/04/29/bomb-threat-over-bikini-billboard-ad.html

No I never said being fat should be a crime. Shaming and punishing are two different things.

Men are subject to body shaming too if their poor dietary and lifestyle choices led them to become fat. I'm not sexist here.

While photoshop does allow for cheating, I think it would be fascist to ban photoshop. Studies show that if you leave the imperfections in, the viewer pays less attention to the ad and more attention to the imperfections.

It doesn't punish the obese. It motivates them to lead a more healthier lifestyle.

And no, we will not widen airplane seats to accommodate your fat ass.

Ummm and your point is?
The super elderly are almost always using more healthcare services; common sense. This doesn't dispute the fact that fat people are still a bigger strain on the NHS than smokers.

No, they just shouldn't be undressing in the other sex's locker rooms

I still stand by my claims that Political Correctness is a pox on humanity that can lead to people getting raped or killed over the fears of being a racist, a bigot, a sexist, and a racial profiler. Care to challenge the other articles I cited?

 

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[SIZE=12pt]But not all Muslims[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]A friend of mine was in New York at the time the IRA bombed the Conservative Party conference (Brighton Hotel Bombing) and he saw Americans of Catholic Irish descent celebrating the bombing and the murders, their only regret being that it didn’t kill Margret Thatcher. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]So does that mean ALL Catholics, ALL Irish, ALL Americans support such terrorism and killings?[/SIZE]

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[SIZE=12pt]-But what’s the point of having such a deadly weapon if you are not willing to use it and possibly kill someone?[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]-To me the mentality has to change and to do that US society needs to change so that these people stop feeling so frightened that they feel they need their guns.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Hell man we have been through this many times at length and in detail – and once again it’s not all, if people are getting a gun for protection they must to some degree be afraid otherwise they would not feel like they needed a gun for protection. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Again this doesn’t support your argument. [/SIZE]

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[SIZE=12pt]It seems to me that to a large degree Political Correctness is a myth a right wing conspiracy, created by those that would wish to [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]denigrate, insult and abuse others in accordance with their own personal bias and prejudices but wishing not to be pulled up for it by valid criticisms. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]When PC is looked at it seems to dissipate and disappear like the mirage it is as shown above even the believers like you seem to realise it’s not true. [/SIZE]

 

Balbus, in case you missed the point, I brought up your past remarks in gun control topics only because you've unfairly painted them up all under the same brush as paranoid, fearful, with a desire to kill if the opportunity arose. Just as you've accused me of unfairly painting all muslims in a bad light. Need I remind you we aren't discussing gun control as it isn't on topic.

Although I never said in my own word that ALL muslims want to kill or take human rights away from everyone on that list, I do concede any implications I made to suggest that I did, and I beg your pardon.

Nobody has to support an entire party if they have at least one agreement in common. I might share a few agreements with the communist party, but that doesn't make me one of their supporters. There's a chance you may share a few agreements with the Libertarian party, but we all know you see libertarians as a lesser form of life than a Zika spreading mosquito.

I still support the Swedish LGB community to hold rallies and practice freedom of expression anywhere without worrying for their safety. And that includes being in the presence of muslim refugees. Gays fought hard for social reform in Sweden. Why should they give it all up just to please the refugees?

Well one thing's for sure is that the Protein World Beach Body ad pissed off and triggered someone enough to make a bomb threat. Only a psycho would do something like that over "offensive imagery." And yes, feminist magazine Vagenda claimed partial responsibility for desecrating the ads and demanding their removal from the public eye https://twitter.com/mirandafay/status/590813766197059584/photo/1

They don't have to be fat-asses necessarily, but this is definitely the Body Positivity arm of the social justice warrior movement showing their murderous side.

Do you support Sadiq Kahn's banning of sexy women in London ads? Why not ban sexy men as well? Why are the feelings of the self conscious and insecure more important than promoting physical fitness?

Secondly, why would feminists who claim to be for the advancement of women, want to ban imagery of sexy female models who've worked very hard to attain that body and build a career out of it? They are putting superficial barriers on that model's career only to spare the sensitive feelings of a few land whales.

Let me clarify. Have you ever heard the phrases "slut shaming," and "fat shaming?" Last time I checked, being a fatty or a slut wasn't against the law, nor do we put them in shackles as a form of punishment. So yes while there might be some overlap, shaming and punishment are different.

It would be tough to enforce. But the way I see it, for instance if a transwoman puts in enough effort to look and behave the part, that person could probably get away with using the woman's locker room without notice, as long as they don't draw any attention to the fact that they have a dick. Otherwise if they look like a man and dress like a man, then they shouldn't be allowed in the woman's room. period.

 

How is it a mirage and a right wing conspiracy when my evidence supports otherwise?

I'll ask again: Care to challenge the other articles I cited?
-Raped German politician lies about rapist's nationality to stop "racism" http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/07/06/raped-german-politician-lied-attackers-nationality-stop-racism/
-Rotherham police do nothing to stop Muslim rape gangs for fear of being "racist" https://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/08/uk-1400-non-muslim-children-exploited-by-muslim-rape-gangs-authorities-did-nothing-for-fear-of-being-thought-as-racist
-Obama administration changes "Allah" to "God" in the FBI transcripts of the Orlando Massacre http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/allah-orlando-terrorism-transcript-changed-god
-Neighbors of San Bernardino shooters did not report suspicious activity for fear of racial profilinghttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3344736/Neighbors-Saudi-husband-wife-San-Bernardino-shooters-noticed-acting-suspiciously-did-NOT-report-fear-racial-profiling.html


This is barely scratching the surface; I can dig up plenty more. Political correctness has inflated itself to colossal proportions as it has become a new form of social fascism across western society that puts people's lives in danger.

 

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OK - So you are saying you support this far right group (the political successors of Hitler’s Nazis) which has been condemned by the official Pride organizers and a majority of the LGBT community.

Honestly you must be incredibly naive or disingenuous to claim that you think such people are motivated in this by concern for the LGBT community – and the LGBT are not losing their rights as you seem to be dishonestly claiming.

Thing is that I’m not ‘supporting’ many Muslims views on homosexuality I’m against right wing neo-fascists trying to cause trouble so they can exploit it to further their own agenda.

I don’t think right wing libertarians are sub-humans I just think they are ill informed and often ruled by their irrational fears and I haven’t found one yet that could defend RWL ideas from criticism.

But that’s the thing I don’t just accept slogans or what political groups say without question as you seem to be going with the neo-Nazis, I like to know the philosophy of such groups and want motivates them and their agenda.

I mean superficially both the RWL and myself what to liberalize the drugs laws and revamp drug policy but that doesn’t meant I support the RWL (or they me) because our views on the subject are so different because philosophically right wing libertarian ideas are not about helping help, they just don’t care what happens to them.
Rightwing libertarians and drugs
http://www.hipforums.com/forum/topic/346137-rightwing-libertarians-and-drugs/

This is the problem you are taking a complex issue and spinning it into rather biased and basic slogan.

I’m not a great fan of advertising when it’s manipulative and skirts the edges of lying but what I often find interesting is that many on the right that claim they hate this when it’s used by ‘government’ then seem to praise it when it’s advertising.

Anyway I prefer honesty and realism in both my politics and advertising and it would be great to have better regulation to bring about both. I’m really not sure what constitutes a ‘sexy’ advert but again I think you are been very naive or disingenuous to claim that body waxing or underwear adverting featuring ‘sexy women’ are about promoting physical fitness.

I’m a runner and the vast majority of people I meet jogging or at races look nothing like those ‘sexy women’, I often take my child swimming and the people exercising in the pools very rarely look like them either. But I’m happy with that I like ‘real’ people with their many sizes and shapes.

As I say you just seem to want carte-blanche to insult? You seem more interested in hating rather than helping.

So you agree with “slut shaming"

Ok let’s look at that.

It’s another complex issue - when does a girl or woman stop being sexy (like the women you like in the adverts) and becomes ‘sluttish’? Also often girls and women are branded ‘slut’ on little or no evidence is that acceptable ‘slut shaming’ or would you be against that? Who decides which girls or women are sluts and which not and by what criteria? Is there a general standard, I mean mores and attitudes have change over time and do amongst differing groups. For example in a fundamentalist Christian or Islamic community having sex before marriage I think would be considered as sluttish but in many other sections of society many people co-habit before marriage (if they get married at all) and everyone is fine with that.

So I think I remember a few girls have committed suicides after been ‘slut-shamed’ is that ok?

It seems to me that what is meant by ‘shaming’ here is in fact just simple bullying.

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You say it would be tough to police every toilet for transsexuals who have not ‘put in enough effort to look’ right in your opinion but you would still go about enforcing this? I mean who judges what person is allowed in what locker room and by what criterion (you couldn’t be everywhere), I mean if a woman that didn’t look particularly ‘womanish’ to you and seemed dressed like a man would they be refused entrance to the women’s locker room, would you demand she prove she was a woman? What about a man who the judge deems looked too feminine would they have to prove they were a man?

And who is going to pay for all those bathroom police?

 

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Because the idea that there is a fixed ‘Political Correctness’ rule accepted by all of those on the ‘left’ doesn’t exist in reality and it seems to me to be dishonest to peddle that myth.

But there isn’t one view but right wingers like to throw lots of differing viewpoint into one box called Political Correctness and then start screaming about social fascism and the end of days.

The problem is that there are lots of things in the box covering issues that are complex and nuanced to the downright stupid.

As with many right wing conspiracy theories people take a whole load of unrelated snippets of information and try to lump them together into some type of unified plot.

Yes you can ‘dig up plenty more’ but they don’t prove the existence of a conspiracy and I don’t think you should be allowed to use the myth of one to ridicule, insult or denigrate whole groups of people without getting criticized for it (and then claim that such criticism is also part of the PC conspiracy).
Sorry I’m not falling for it – basically if you can’t defend what you say against a group then why are you saying it.

 

Like I said, I support the organizing of a LGB rally through a muslim neighborhood in Sweden. Not the NeoNazis. You're deliberately misconstruing my word.

I support freedom of expression. Freedom to practice provocative behavior in the face of hateful puritanistic social conservatism. The LGB community who didn't condone going near the muslims were a bunch of submissive people pleasers to my eyes. Then again maybe they were worried about their safety. After all, as soon as Sweden opened the floodgates for refugees, rape and violence rates have skyrocketed!

And yes, the freedoms and lives of LGB people in Sweden are at risk:
http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/sweden-migrant-beat-and-murdered-gay-man-sentenced-mere-4-years-prison

The ad targeted by the terrorists of the Social Justice Left DID promote physical fitness. Take a second look.

I'm not sure either what constitutes a sexy woman according to Sadiq's law. But I have a hunch it's his religion that's doing the talking: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1386364/Censored-Bikini-advert-blacked-spray-paint-Muslim-extremists-object-women-swimsuits.html

No need for bathroom police. Reasonably I think the bottom line is bathroom etiquette. If you don't put the effort into appearing the opposite sex while using their restroom, you drastically increase the likelihood of raising their discomfort level. If you're in there snapping photos, you're violating their privacy. And that's exactly what happened when a supposed "Transgender" did when he went into a women's restroom in Target.

Because people who take offense to beautiful people deserve ridicule. They're dumber than Fox News viewers and Hillary supporters.

Where did I say I agree with slut shaming? You're misconstruing again.

Yeah, that kind of thing happens when YOU deliberately misconstrue people's statements and arguments to the way YOU see fit.

OK, so people losing their jobs due to posting unpopular opinions on social media is all a fake conspiracy.
The media perpetuating the lie that only white people can be racist is all a fake conspiracy.
Sweden making it illegal to criticize immigrants on the internet is all a fake conspiracy.
Obama and Loretta Lynch changing the transcripts of the FBI report on the Orlando shooting didn't happen.
Perverts will NEVER exploit transgender bathroom laws.

Yeah, keep your head in the sand.

 

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I’m not misconstruing your words - you are saying you support this far right group which has been condemned by the official Pride organizers and a majority of the LGBT community, in their efforts to cause trouble in an act that is likely to be counterproductive.

You are not supporting the official Pride and the majority of the LGBT community because you think they are “a bunch of submissive people pleasers” so you support the neo-Nazis presumably because such people are ‘a bunch of aggressive people haters’

How Anti-Immigration Activists Misuse Rape Statistics
This article will show that according to crime victim surveys, the actual rate of sex crimes has been more or less unchanged in Sweden between 2005 and 2014, despite the fact that immigration has increased during the same time period. Instead, the increasing rates of reported rapes are influenced by expansion of the legal rape definition, an increase in the tendency to report rapes, police efforts to classify each individual rape as a separate crime and their tendency to classify any sex crime that could potentially be rape as rape. It will also demonstrate that reported rates between countries such as Sweden and Denmark cannot be naively compared to do the large difference in legal rape definition and police registration https://debunkingdenialism.com/2015/12/12/how-anti-immigration-activists-misuse-rape-statistics/methods.
Sex Crimes and Illegal Immigrants: Misuse of Statistics for Politics
http://scienceblogs.com/goodmath/2007/01/18/sex-crimes-and-illegal-immigra-1/

Do you mean the beach ready poster?

That was by Protein World who are a protein supplement company personally as a runner I think the whole supplement thing is just snake oil and slimming shakes etc are just trying to sell a magic bullet for something that would be better dealt with another way. Thing is that even if you are working out a health diet would give you all the protein you need.

Dr James Betts, a senior lecturer in nutrition and metabolism at the University of Bath, thinks that protein fans have got a little carried away: "The question is: do we need more protein? We have quite a lot of protein in our diets in the West anyway. Even individuals who tend to have lower amounts of protein such as females, vegetarians and non-active people are still usually getting more than enough. Scientists will tell you protein supplements can be beneficial to athletes, but whether that supports selling tubs and tubs of the stuff to everybody is a very different question."

Dr Betts says that studies also prove protein is only really effective when used in specific amounts, of a specific type, at a specific given time. "Most of the research suggests we don't need more protein overall," he says. "The total amount doesn't seem to be the important thing. We know that protein acts as an important signal so ingesting certain metabolically active forms and ingesting them at key times, such as immediately after exercise: those are the real focuses of research nowadays. Actually, it's not about eating more, it's about eating smart."Independent

And anyway I heard PW was getting flake –

“Controversial slimming firm Protein World could be prosecuted for fraud after being accused of selling weight loss shakes with up to 17 times more carbohydrates than shown on the label”
Daily Mail

I would find anyone taking photos in a toilet a bit suspicious so why are you bring this up here I mean do you think that’s why transgender people want access to toilets? Seems like a bizarre argument to me.

And it still doesn’t address what I said who decides which people have put in the effort? If a woman that didn’t look particularly ‘womanish’ to you and seemed dressed like a man would they be refused entrance to the women’s locker room, would you demand she prove she was a woman? What about a man who the judge deems looked too feminine would they have to prove they were a man?

You said - Let me clarify. Have you ever heard the phrases "slut shaming," and "fat shaming?" Last time I checked, being a fatty or a slut wasn't against the law, nor do we put them in shackles as a form of punishment. So yes while there might be some overlap, shaming and punishment are different

That seems to imply you do agree – I mean you have already said -Body shaming obese people WORKS in getting them to exercise and get in shape – implying you thought such shaming works and so that with what you said above would seem to imply you agree with ‘slut shaming’


So I asked for clarification now stop evading and answer the fucking question-

Do you agree with “slut shaming"?

As I said it’s a complex issue - when does a girl or woman stop being sexy (like the women you like in the adverts) and becomes ‘sluttish’? Also often girls and women are branded ‘slut’ on little or no evidence is that acceptable ‘slut shaming’ or would you be against that? Who decides which girls or women are sluts and which not and by what criteria? Is there a general standard, I mean mores and attitudes have change over time and do amongst differing groups. For example in a fundamentalist Christian or Islamic community having sex before marriage I think would be considered as sluttish but in many other sections of society many people co-habit before marriage (if they get married at all) and everyone is fine with that.

But as can be seen above I didn’t misconstrue – although you definitely seem to be evading addressing criticisms.

 

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Oh hell another list –OK I’ll take one at random –

Obama and Loretta Lynch changing the transcripts of the FBI report on the Orlando shooting didn't happen.

This seems to be related to the 911 transcripts of Omar Mateen

They are translation from Arabic and in Arabic ‘Allah’ means God so when translated into English you get lines like this -

“In the name of God the merciful, the beneficent (in Arabic),”

Which seems to be reasonable.

Again I think you should stop reading far right websites.

 

Just heard that obnoxious prick and Trump lover Milo Yiannopoulos has been banned from twitter for being well …an obnoxious prick, so no surprise there.

As I’ve seen looking at the so called alt-right or far right as I see them it seems to me that they want the right to be obnoxious to anyone and anything they don’t like, they come across as angry even hateful, and they seem to want to spread that anger and hate.

Is not the best way to live or move forward to make a better world.