let's get us a white history month!

Wow, Mr. Dot, great arguement there! Even if I was homosexual, or as u like to put, "fag", what relevance does my sexuality have to do with you being an idiot with this logic that "being racist against racists makes you a racist"? I think someone hasn't taken their midol today. Lol, ur a "senior member"??? From some of the comments you make I'm surprised you've been on hipforums this long, i'm surprised a mod hasn't banned your ignorant, idiot ass yet.

 

most people find him an amusing target.

 

because he didn't end his life a supremacist? seems fairly simple. that kinda evolution of thought and soul is impressive. gives me hope for all the other idiots.

no matter who does the conquering or why, it's basically messing about in other people's business. personally, i'm okay with this. gotta stir up the gene pool every now and then. it's ugly, but it's animal nature.

 

Who is the white supremicist?

 

Anyways, fag, I view 'jew' as a whole seperate race of its own, k fag?

 

I never said don't treat other peoples' history like it's THEIRS...people keep filling in spots in my posts with their own words, lol.*

(And a lot of white people will never appreciate Malcom X on the sole fact that he was a black, Islamic leader of some pretty hardcore black movements...however his first belief was for peace and brotherhood of ALL mankind)

All that stuff you said about slavery backs up my point - haha, I'm pretty sure we agree on this, it's just a matter of wording and a little weaving through some entangled emotions :cheers2:

In essence: Racism is bad, we need to change it. no?

* Ah, I have just thought of the perfect word to explain this. All races have their own HERITAGE, it is what we come from.

 

Why not just have a "history" month.

 

Malcom X was not a supremacist. He believed in equality and peace among all mankind. It was the Black Panthers that took that to the next level by reacting to attacks on them.

Malcom X didn't say it was bad because he thought that the way African Americans were being treated really was not going to go away because white Americans were very (and still are) closed minded and frankly, dumb. And effective way to get their houses from being broken into, their family beaten, or themselves hanged were to react back in a violent way.

And besides, Malcom X should be respected as a great leader alone..think about this for a second...why are whites affraid of him and the Black Panthers? Is it perhaps because their actions reflected our own?

Not to sound like a dick, but this is the type of "we are saviors, they should thank us not hate us" type of deal that is spread by the KKK...seriously it is.

Liberia was created, not as a good thing, my friend. They essentially dumped a bunch of ex-slaves into the wild after generations of having getting accustomed to western lifestyle. For the most part, no one knew how to get raw materials fashioned into useful products.

Liberia was an outright and complete disaster from the get-go. It was ALSO backed by many white supremacists who wanted them out of the country if they couldn't use Blacks as slaves.

The movies don't depict half of it. Whites throughout history have been war-hungry barbarians, invading neighboring peoples until they are all assimilated. In no way were colonies created to better peoples' lives beyond their own.

Colonies were created as a way to gain money so that they could build up military, for the most part...Dutch colonies were pretty focused on just making more money to make more money, though they did have a very intense navy.

Missionaries were also not there to "save" anybody. For the most part they destroyed peoples' way of life, and saying that we "bettered" them is the exact mindset that they used to go out and convert. Oh yes, we bettered them by introducing several diseases, alcoholism, slavery, forcing them to move or change their ways of life completely, and the humiliation of being looked down upon for the way they look...

It's still going on...why should we put it behind us? It's our future, too. As long as land and resources are in demand we will be fighting. Though if we peacefully attempt to share everything amongst the world based on need, there is plenty of everything.

Interesting fact: In the very near future, if water usage continues as it does, we will be fighting over the rights to the polar ice caps to use as drinking water.

 

I'd enjoy a history year. every year, but that's really subjective to the one interested, much as is black history month.

 

how bout an aboriginal history month? or an asian history month? or indian or pakistani history month? mexicans are black folk get too much attention. probably 'cause of the controversy surrounding them: blacks with their slave history and current ghetto crime problem, and mexicans because of the whole border thing. but just because asians and indians aren't shooting each other and sneaking into the country, they're left out of this affirmative actionish thing. it's just not fair.

 

Most of what goes on today in africa can be traced back to colonialism

We africans adopted greed, corruption, and avarice from our european conquerors, but we failed to pass on our humility, modesty, and unassuming good nature


Hotwater

 

Yeah, queer, I hear what you're saying, queer, but I don't agree with it, queer.

Yeah, if I'm "fag" then you're "queer", queer. Maybe if you spent less time in Crack Houses and more time doing something more valuable with your time, u wouldn't be this screwed up in the head, queer. So put the crack pipe down and start doing something useful with your life, queer.

 

There is a certain point in these debates where along comes these sarcastic jabs that have nothing to do or contribute but only make people angry...

I will tell you that affirmative action is a good thing, dont believe me? Look at Obama...but I'm sure you'll say some dumb comment about him. In all honesty, do you really think that he could have gotten where he is without affirmative action? Surely without it, he could have been lost. I'm not saying that because of affirmative action he is the president, but only using him as an example of what it can do.

 

Obama was the first black president of the prestigious harvard law review before he became president of the united states.

He got to where he was through hard work, not affirmative action



Hotwater

 

No, I know, but I'm just saying that along the lines, surely there were times that it helped...and I wasn't saying that he is like...the token of affirmative action success, just that it definitely does something

 

I will not feel guitly for something that I did not have a choice in. If I, myself, participated in or ignored injustice, than I would feel guilty. I love to study history, but I will not live there. I had nothing to do with slavery. The only thing that I can do is make sure that I do not contribute to the problems of today. Minorities are at a disadvantage, no matter where you live, it's better in some places, but it still exists. And you don't have to be out there spouting the "N" word and treating minorities like second class citiezens to be contributing to racism. Ignoring the problem is just as bad. Allowing it to continue and pretending that it is okay, or can be explained away. And the fact that it may never go away is no reason to accept it. Rape will probably always happen, are you just gonna sit back and say, "oh well, nothing I can do about it"? If you don't think that minorities have it bad, try living somewhere where you are the minority. I lived in Mexico for two years and it sucked only being seen as my skin color. People assumed things about me that had no baseing other than the fact that some other people of my color had been that way. I will never tolerate racism. That doesn't make me a bigot, it makes me human. As a human I accept all people of all colors as brothers and sisters. Their history is my history, and their future is my future. Which means that their struggles are mine to fight as well.

 

"We africans adopted greed, corruption, and avarice from our european conquerors, but we failed to pass on our humility, modesty, and unassuming good nature "

You're actually part of the problem-- what you've just said is unbelievably and blatantly racist. You are saying that these negative qualities are endemic to the European races?? And that before their influence, indigenous Africans were enjoying an idyllic life of harmony and bliss?

This is the common attitude of all history's losers-- 'Everything was perfect until the white man came and screwed it up'. The same attitude is prevalent in First Nations, Africa, Korea, etc. etc. etc... basically, anywhere that the people were conquered/ overcome. Are you saying that Africans knew zero aggression before white people arrived? That's utterly ridiculous.

Often, it's the case that whatever civilization simply didn't have the means to conquer the world... not because they were voluntarily holding themselves back. If any of those civilizations suddenly realized they had the means to expand beyond their current state, if it would mean more resources, better conditions, and longer, healthier lives for their people, how long do you think it would take them to actually do it? Even if one generation opposed the idea, they would die out, attitudes would change, and it would happen. There would be a famine, or restlessness, or something... something would drive them to do it. And after they did it once and realized how much better their lives had become, they would do it again... and eventually, those previous generations who fought to keep it contained would die out, and the new generations would go ahead with their plans. Once the technology exists, it's impossible to uninvent it... and eventually, it will be used. Every technology that has been invented, is still being used, still being tested and improved.

Look at history-- it is full of people exploring, using the land, carving out empires, conquering other places, seeking the best possible lifestyles for themselves. Other races, other civilizations were not part of the equation. Tribal lines ran deep, and polarized the people.

Our current ability to appreciate and respect, even experience other civilizations is a modern luxury. It is physically and psychologically impossible for someone on the other side of the world to understand the negatives involved in wiping some distant tribe out of existence... all that he/she knows is his own life, his own society, and his own interests. That is how things are when civilizations exist in isolated pockets. Africa is definitely no exception... if they had had the means to expand, they would have.

This is not a reflection on innate intelligence, natural superiority, or 'goodness' (whatever the fuck that means)... this is simply how things developed.

The difference is that nowadays there are basically no frontiers. Almost every civilization in existence has had contact with every other civilization in existence. This was inevitable-- it's impossible for the human race to proliferate extensively and not eventually become a 'global village'. The fact that there is more or less one single way of life that exists in degrees means that diversity has become precious. Frontiers are precious. Small tribes in the hills of the Brazilian rainforest are precious. Because they have become exotic.

So instead of blaming white people for everything that's wrong with the world, why don't we all try to come together and move forward as a whole????

 

so, basically, more education is always a good thing, focusing on only the good of the "losers" and the bad of the "winners" is a bad thing. more info, more understanding, quit bitching about the color of the person being learned out and pay attention. they're people, after all, and if they did something really cool, then feel cool by human association. if they did something really awful, shake your head at how awful human beings can be. that's about it, i think

 

Because there are people (some are on this very thread) that believe not everyone should be allowed to move forward...

 

Nice. I make one mildly sarcastic post and go out of town for a few days and this thread degenerates into a pile of nastiness and finger pointing. This is what happens when racists collide. You all need to get a life.

And hotwater, I love you man, but if you HONESTLY believe that black people (or ANY people) prehistorically sailed the oceans and inhabited the entire planet, I really feel sorry for you. You're toeing the militant superiority line. I think you're better than that.