Leftism brought every freedom you enjoy today.

Some stereotypical conclusion..........

 

Rat that is a few times now that you have made disparaging remarks about a persons age rather than tackle what they have said.

Please desist, this is a warning.

Oh and a racial slur as well…

Counting…

 

Kblaze


OK some bits I’m looking into but her are a few thoughts on your last post.

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Originally Posted by Balbus

I once asked you how you would tackle ‘the conspiracy’ and you seemed to say that just ‘outing’ might work.

How can these people be so powerful and so weak?

Simple. The people working for them are currently unaware of their actions. When this despicable information surfaces, I would think everybody (media people, military, etc,) would resign and start again without the top corrupt people, essentially firing them.

Again they are so strong that they rule everything, yet they are so weak that if people found out who they are they could be sacked.

Still makes no sense mate!

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You seem to claim ‘the conspiracy’ has control over all left and right wing politics from extreme communism to the freest of laissez-faire capitalism, have directed the whole of human history from its first civilisations to the most resent of events.

I don't know about all, but they have control where it counts (I suspect). As for "extreme communism," if you mean the likes of The Bolsheviks (whom "they" funded and pushed to power, as "they" did with the National Socialist German Workers Party), I think it shows that certain people set up pawns to do dirty work so that the "opposing" power can move in and change things.

And I don't see too much of "the freest of laissez-faire capitalism" these days. All the big conglomerates are merging; it makes me think that monopolistic capitalism is simply a slow movement to communism/corporatism.

And I didn't say anything about directing all of human history...sheesh you put words in people's mouths...I think these people are very smart and are more of taking advantange of history as it happens, getting to the point of making it happen here and there.

So lets me get this straight they don’t control ‘all’ politics they just control it when they want to? So when they want to control something they can? How is that actually that different from them controlling ‘all’, I mean if they can control things when they want to then they basically have control over anything anytime in other words they control all?

As to history again you claim they can direct it and shape it as they wish so even if events are out of their control they use them to get what they want, how is that different from not “directing all of human history”?

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But they are so weak that if people knew about them they would just skulk away to ‘some island’.

Remember Napoleon?

Meaning what?

Napoleon didn’t skulk away after being ‘outed’ as a conspirator.

He was banished by those that defeated him, after a world-wide war that lasted over 15 years (longer if you count the republican era).

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To answer on this point, the leaders in charge are dependent upon those under them to obey. Once the general public no longer believe in the legitamacy of their leaders, the leaders are powerless. In this way, leaders are weak. However, it would take an extreme event to trigger the public to turn from those leaders; ie, starvation, plague, etc. So it's not as easy as it sounds.

I forget which person described the phenomena, but he/she described slaves and slave owners as dependent upon each other. Without the slave, the slave owner would be nothing; therefore, the slave owner is a "slave" to the slave. I will try to find the person who came up with this idea and post it.

Peace & Love

 

Hippie Chick

But we are supposedly talking about a conspiracy here in fact ‘the conspiracy’ the one that has being going on since the beginning of human civilisation. The conspiracy that has been able direct virtually all of human kinds history, running government and putting into power kings and emperors. Ruling from the shadows.
And Kblaze say that this conspiracy can be brought low, by at best finger pointing at worse a witch hunt?

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It is strange you use ‘legitimacy’.

I think it right to attack the legitimacy of a leader if they have done something legitimately wrong but attacking them for being really seven foot lizards or Satanists doesn’t sound very legitimate.
I mean the theory of ‘the conspiracy’ is suspect and dubious, spread by charlatans like David Icke and liars like Rat.

 

I was clarifying the point about how a leader can be weak and strong at the same time. Kblaze can explain the conspiracy part. I don't believe in a "conspiracy" per se. Investigate the Iron Law of Oligarchy; I believe that has more to do with the current situation rather than people deciding the fate of the world. "Conspiracy" is a word with negative conotations and I wouldn't throw it around.

Peace & Love