Left-wing fascism

Liberal is only really synonymous with left-wing in the US, where you have no real left-wing party.

 

Of course fascism is full of hate. It is hateful to demand people think a certain way. It is hateful to be totalitarian. It is hateful to bend the individual to the demands of the collective (group).

That's what I think.

 

So if you thought that black people were inferior and I demanded you listen to all of the mountains of scientific evidence to the contrary, that would make ME hateful?

Fascism isn't about forcing individuals to serve the majority, it's about forcing the majority serve the interests of the privileged few-- extreme elitism. Ayn Rand's pathetic narrative about great men carrying the wretched majority out of the kindness of their hearts fits into fascism AND libertarianism nicely-- which is why the two have far more in common than most right wingers will ever know.

Refusing to listen to some idiot claim that the free market is going to solve everyone's problems and people should be free to be misinformed and discriminate against each other isn't elitism, it's sound critical judgment.

There's a difference between living the way you want to live and knowing the facts and letting that knowledge dictate your behavior-- just because some people find the latter unpleasant, it doesn't mean you don't need to realize you're wrong.

 

All is know is that you'll never found a commune in Cuba. Nor will you start your own newspaper. Or, think diferently. Not in Cuba.

 

Fascism is forcing anyone to do ANYTHING they don't want. So I guess you're a fascist after all.

 

Totalitarian States evolve when the public has so much interest vested in the government that they cede their rights and liberties in exchange for material security.

The Government co-opts the corporations, not the other way around.

A government can become overly powerful by proffering food security, security of habitat, employment. health and education; in that order up from basic necessity to University education.

We can all ask: Yes, don't we want Gov. to be the guarantor of all the above securities? But at what cost?

Is the cost of a Gov. providing food & habitat security the cessation of free thought and free elections?

 

You know that saying?

Being left-wing is spending your whole life denying that socialist dictatorships are still dictatorships and coming to the brilliant conclusion that Stalin misread Marx at the tender age of 50.

 

A very simple google search will reveal to you that this is a ridiculously childish sense of the term and isn't even a little bit true.

 

Forcing women to have children they can't afford to raise is fascism.
Putting people in prison for the pursuit of happiness (smoking pot) is fascism.
Banning assault weapons to keep nuts from slaughtering large numbers of people is NOT fascism. it's no different than banning ownership of missiles or tanks. Keeping the public safe is not fascism.

 

And the government is run by nuts who slaughter large numbers of people with such assault weapons, and where is the outcry there?

 

It's actually kind of interesting that in Nazi Germany, any doctor who provided an abortion to an 'Aryan' woman could face the death penalty.

But to be honest, I don't think you can just point to one single instance where a party's policy is the same and then pretend that it means that we're living in a totalitarian police state. Avoiding a policy simply because the Nazis did it too is absurd.

 

Are you serious?

 

I agree with the rat. When the U.S. invaded Iraq, thousands of innocent civilians were killed in the first week. Since 2003 over a million were killed because of the invasion, and Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9/11.

 

Of course the Iraq War was bullshit... but there has been a HUGE outcry over it. Entire nations have objected to it, and there have been heaps of demonstrations... not to mention all of the people who don't demonstrate but who are adamantly opposed.

There is an ongoing narrative on this board that most people are mindless pawns who support the government and it needs to stop. People aren't mindless pawns, it's just difficult to balance all of their personal responsibilities and day-to-day living with protest and/or an uprisings-- it takes more than some far-off war in another country to make people want to jeopardize the future of their children and the standard of living they've enjoyed for generations now.

It's pretty much impossible to bring about change when no one can agree on the next step, there is no clear answer and on an individual level (which is what capitalism celebrates), things really aren't that bad for most people in the Western world.

 

Even CNN has published an editorial about Venezuela unraveling.

Now a border crisis is erupting with neighboring Guyana, over the prospect of oil reserves.

When you own the entire economy, yes you are responsible and must answer for it.

 

People on the left can be closed minded. I know a few. It's become common at the university level.

 

The left practically invented sensitivity training camps after all.

 

I partially agree with your statement you've made here. I've spent 6.5 years in college and gotten 2 different bachelor's degrees, and I cannot deny the education I received has been invaluable to my career and the way I go about life. However the days of college degrees making you more valuable to employers are long gone. Colleges have lost their way and become institutions of social engineering, sensitivity training camps for a more politically correct culture, and worst of all: Diploma mills. The lectures of some of my professors were just the same lectures as if I would've been watching an endless MSNBC marathon. I've seen my fellow classmates graduate with 2 F's on their report cards who put out really shitty work ethic. And the fact that they've gotten degrees from the same institution I attended where I and students like me actually gave it our best, it devalues our degrees. Harvard is now a diploma mill as well and lost a lot of credibility in recent years. And it's only gonna get worse.

 

Finally, a truthseeker speaks up. Always amazed or amused not sure which, by this need to align fascism with the left. One thing I haven't seen mentioned here although I will admit I have not read every word, is that Extreme left (communism) and Extreme right (fascism) can both be Totalitarian. In other words, the individual is screwed regardless.

 

Not to mention Rush hypocritically supports the failed "War of Drugs."

 

True, but even worse, colleges have become institutions with a primary focus on making money and exaggerating the value they provide to prospective students. The sensitivity stuff doesn't even scratch the surface.

 

You really don't understand what fascism is if you think the American liberal is that. I deal with this often because with many of the topics I am interested in it's 99.9% gun owning Republicans who think if only there was no liberal America would be perfect. I am very liberal myself.

I will admit that this new "safe space" movement which basically says my emotion and feeling on the topic is more important than your facts and actual debate is not acceptable because it hurts my feelings is ridiculous. But what you right wing people need to understand is this is a very new phenomenon that is not endorsed by many liberal people. Of course debate and different opinions is important. If you don't think like us we don't want to send you to the Siberian wilderness like Stalin. It is just that we believe that you are an asshole for using certain words like "libtard" because of the lack of compassion and lack of respect it shows. But the fact that you are not shot by a firing squad is the evidence you do have the right to say it. But we also have the right to not like it.

There are some examples where in the name of being "PC" voices are silenced. But I also see the same attitude on the right. The idea that only you can be heard because "liberals have a mental illness". Is this written in some training manual you receive at a secret meeting because it is the catchphrase of the right. Or what about "libtard" a term very disrespectful to actual challenged people. So what are we implying? Anyone who does not think like me must not have all their mental faculties. That simply makes no sense. You need to allow for gray areas and the idea that a fully functioning brain may reach different conclusions then yours has.

Mental illness is now used to describe anyone who does not agree with me. Don't you think that too is a slippery slope like safe space? With some of your posts on this site you could be called that for your conspiracy opinions as could I. We are enemies of the state.