labour crap!

Discussion in 'U.K.' started by morrow, Nov 17, 2013.

  1. roamy

    roamy Senior Member

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    i know loadsa people living in council accomodation and even in apartments every single people living on their own are allowed two bedroom apartments,the second bedroom is allowed to accomodation any family or friend visitors they might have coming for overnights and stuff.
     
  2. morrow

    morrow Visitor

    Roamy, its not allowed in council accomodation..and untill suitable, ie a bedroom less necomes available, you pay a tax on the empty bedroom.
    This couple im using as an example, have a two bedroom place, the fact that the woman cannot sleep in the room, makes no difference, and thats not unusual, the same is happening with invalid children, ..

    Oden, you chose to answer the post, i never asked, if your looking for a debate, or argument, your talking to the wrong one, your too hostile for me, and too selfish...you turn everything into, no one helped me when i needed it! Like you said early on, get over it! Leave the past where it is...you had time, you used it well, big applause! Lets hope your always in good health and the sun shines on you....but get rid of the grump! In particular, with me...two posts, and two you turn hostile on me...its boring now...give someone else a chance!
     
  3. roamy

    roamy Senior Member

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    what about a grant.if she applied for a disability support grant,then she could pay for the room thats not suitable to be remodified for her disability needs.that would help the problem.
     
  4. morrow

    morrow Visitor

    No, she needs to move to a smaller place, then they will adapt that, doesmt make sense!
    Also, those grants are few and far between now, in fact they may be one of the ones that no longer exist..
    But i will check it for her...but she has to move to a one bed room accomodation, of which there are none available...
     
  5. odonII

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    morrow

    I'm sorry if you think I was being hostile - it wasn't intentional.
    I was starting to become cynical, though.
    I'll admit it does get my hackles up when people mention a 'bedroom tax' (it isn't a tax), and then use a worst case scenario (that gets boring, too).
    I would say there are just as many, if not more, single people that don't have any savings, and are struggling just as much, if not more.
    Why are we never used as an e.g?
    It's all relative.
    If that is me being selfish - sorry about that.

    If you don't want a convo' what do you want?
    A bit of a vent?
    Agreement?

    I did get over it, that's true.
    Well, just about (with some help - not 'government' help, btw)
    All I was saying is others should too.
     
  6. roamy

    roamy Senior Member

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    is both her and husband disabled ?
     
  7. morrow

    morrow Visitor

    Roamy, no, just her husband...
    Odon, the difference between you and this couple, your asking me why they need help over you?
    Ok, he worked, as did she for over 40 years, and are of an age that they cannot pick them selves up, and make a new career for themselves now...you can/could..
    he became disabled through an accident at work, worked for the goverrnment too, can you believe that? Tsk! They never ask for anything, the reason the no longer have savings, is because they never asked for help till tthe money run out, and they dont cry about what they should and shouldnt have!
    She, is giving him the care that the authorities should be, but that care is now being held back, due to cutbacks....like i said, she pays witth the care allowance for some free time..which isnt really free, but as he cant be left, she has no choice!
    This isnt an isolated case..in fact i intend finding more for you, so you can see, these are the people being forgotten, that are suffering by the hands of the conservatives, and the let down of the labour!
     
  8. Mr. Frankenstein

    Mr. Frankenstein Malice...in Sunderland

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  9. Hoppípolla

    Hoppípolla Senior Member

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    Yeah I never really saw the big deal, it seems fair enough to not have wasted space.

    It's not really that hard to have a lodger anyway. Hey you might even end up better off :)

    Probably best to not be in council housing in the first place, to be honest.
     
  10. odonII

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    morrow

    No, I'm not asking or even saying that.
    An overview of what I said would be:
    In general, I'm sick of people moaning about the 'Bedroom tax,' and then using a worst case scenario for why it isn't 'fair'.
    I was cynical with your ongoing e.g - they pretty much ticked all the boxes.
    They even tick the box of:
    People that have worked all of their lives, and have 'paid into the system.' (so have I, pretty much, btw)
    And there isn't any place else they can go etc etc etc.
    It all got a bit much.
    I get it!
    So I said (am saying):
    'Maybe it was a little harsh to just say 'get over it' (regardless of circumstances)...
    However, I think most people should 'get over it'.'

    Like I said:
    'Sadly 'the council/government' isn't ever going to - and to my knowledge has ever - payed the same amount of money as people were once (prior to a change in circumstances) accustomed to.'

    To be cynical again: So what's all this fuss about then?

    Forgotten?
    You must be joking, right?
    That's what annoys me.
    Myself, and those like me, are the forgotten ones in all of this, imho.
    And if I say that, I'm the selfish one here? :/

    If I have not got any savings, how do you suggest I do that?
    You mean, I could get a job and they can't?
    Wouldn't they be around the retirement age about now?
    I'd probably struggle even more if I were in my late fifties/early sixties.
     
  11. odonII

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    Where have I put a positive spin on this?

    This is what I'm saying:
    'Money runs out for most of us, and very quickly if you are on benefits. It’s hard to even think about anything else if you have no money. If it goes on for days, or weeks or longer it can be torture.'

    So what's the additional money I had to pay while living in private rental accomodation while claiming HB?

    'A UN official has defended her criticism of the UK's spare room subsidy and has apologised for referring to it as the "bedroom tax"' ;)
     

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