Kim Davis - Unethical

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  1. Pieceofmyheart

    Pieceofmyheart Grumpy old bitch HipForums Supporter

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    I told ya she would not win this. Too bad she won't be changed, she could have witnessed love coming from loving couples, seeing that there is nothing to fear. Instead, all the hate and rage just cemented her fear of gays.



    "In the way that a gardener knows how to transform compost into flowers,
    we can learn the art of transforming anger, depression, and racial discrimination into love and understanding.
    This is the work of meditation."
    Thich Nhat Hanh from "Touching Peace"
     
  2. Shale

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  3. Pieceofmyheart

    Pieceofmyheart Grumpy old bitch HipForums Supporter

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    You hang onto that hate Shale...hang on as tight as you can. It will not serve you well in the long run...hate never, ever does.

    Your tactics are every bit as bad as those of the Kim Davis's in this world. You seem to be blind to anything but what you want, feel or believe in.
     
  4. NoxiousGas

    NoxiousGas Old Fart

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    Seriously?????

    I think you need a very harsh reality check.
     
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  5. Pieceofmyheart

    Pieceofmyheart Grumpy old bitch HipForums Supporter

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    You seem very emotional for such a neutral human. eh?

    Every woman raised in the USA has experienced discrimination in their lives...some more than others. I sure know what it feels like, but for me responding with hate was not the right way.
     
  6. NoxiousGas

    NoxiousGas Old Fart

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    No, not emotional at all about it.
    simply based on the facts presented in this thread alone, which can easily be verified by you or anyone, is what I am basing my comment/opinion on.
    no emotion involved or needed.
    just the facts ma'am, just the facts.......



    and allow me to clarify,
    I never said in the other thread that I am not emotional and totally neutral, I said that in my CONSIDERATION and PRESENTATION of a topic I strive to be neutral and be very aware of my OWN EMOTIONAL RESPONSES to a topic and how that emotion SKEWS MY PERSPECTIVE AND OPINIONS.


    from some of your other posts in the forums, I am beginning to get the impression that for you it may be more about homosexuality and your own personal religious beliefs rather the law and civil rights.
    Have you looked in the mirror to sort out what is what in regards to your opinions in this matter, because quit frankly if we only take the law concerning these matters into consideration, I fail to see how a rational and educated person could hold onto the position you have expressed here.
     
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  7. NoxiousGas

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    actually whenever I encounter a topic on here that immediately pushes my buttons, I walk away from it, do some research if needed and more importantly I ask myself "why was my gut reaction so strong about that?" before coming back and replying.
     
  8. Pieceofmyheart

    Pieceofmyheart Grumpy old bitch HipForums Supporter

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    I have NO issue with homosexuality at all. I lost a very dear, life long friend who was gay to the complications of aids. I have family members who are gay, both male and female. They are all loved and not treated any differently than a family member who married a black man. I do not care what anyone's sexual orientation is at all. That is their business. It affects me NOT.

    You have no idea of my personal religious beliefs...I have never posted my beliefs on this forum and probably will not.

    I smoke marijuana...used to grow it years ago so obviously laws aren't that important to me all the time. Do YOU follow every single man made law? Cuz....I do not. Most people do not.

    Believing that love will always trump hate is my position. Sorry it is not understandable to you and the reason it isn't is because you seem to be overly emotional about this issue.
     
  9. NoxiousGas

    NoxiousGas Old Fart

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    :smilielol5:

    sailing over your head I guess.......
     
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  10. Pieceofmyheart

    Pieceofmyheart Grumpy old bitch HipForums Supporter

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    Big hugs to you kind sir..spread the love...and tolerance. :daisy: Tolerance is for everyone, not just certain people.
     
  11. Shale

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    WTF did I do? :unsure:

    I just posted a news report that says the most loathesome goup of Muslim Asswipes think Kim Davis is one of their ilk.

    So that makes me the hater? My tactics are posting information that is out there.
    I DID NOT ILLEGALLY DENY CIVIL RIGHTS TO OTHERS.
    Now that would be hateful.
     
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  12. NoxiousGas

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    on that we all can agree, including Shale, or at least that is the impression I have always gotten from him over the last 8-9 years.
     
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  13. Aerianne

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    Tolerance is a backhanded slap that implies the person one is being tolerant of is somehow intolerable.
     
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  14. NoxiousGas

    NoxiousGas Old Fart

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    you do realize that is a very condescending and bullshit remark.
    Hell even Archie Bunker said some of his friends and coworkers were black, so he wasn't a bigot.


    and if a person's sexual orientation means nothing to you, than a rational person not swayed by personal religious convictions would most likely hold to the law and civil rights issues of this event, would they not?

    Even Jesus said there would be a time to take up the sword and fight.
     
  15. NoxiousGas

    NoxiousGas Old Fart

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    YES!^^^^^

    AND THAT ILLUSTRATES MY POINT IN THE OTHER THREAD!!!!!
    words say one thing, but the intent is completely different.
     
  16. Vanilla Gorilla

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    Yeah, I agree with some of the stuff you've said here.

    Mainly becuase of that paragraph.

    We have reached some bizarre point where this gets turned into a circus, we are talking about one clerk in one asswipe little county in all of america

    Comparing her to bin laden is sensationalist and ridiculous, no one is going to take that serious

    And I know the initial reasons for Ms Davis's action didnt have anything to do with homosexuals

    Whether its the gay thing now, or the race thing over the last 60 years or so....both still get more attention than womens issues, which covers what, and 160 million or so americans.

    It is bizarre
     
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  17. NoxiousGas

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    Denying marriage licenses to same sex couples isn't about homosexuals????
    Please do explain to us all what her initial reasons were.

    [​IMG]
     
  18. Vanilla Gorilla

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    You sound a little angry
     
  19. NoxiousGas

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    I'm not angry, otherwise I would have used exclamation marks instead.
    I'm genuinely curious about what you said.

    [​IMG]
     
  20. meridianwest

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    we don't have ''religious liberty protection''. we, in the developed world, have freedom of religion, which means every individual is allowed to practice whichever religion they like, in the privacy of their own mind. this doesn't fall under or liberate anybody from having to perform their professional duties. if your religion and your job go into conflict, then why are you even on such a job in the first place? it is your responsibility to figure it out whether you will take the job that you don't agree with, or whether your religion is more important to you. not performing your professional duties has every right to get you fired. you're not protected from stubbornly refusing to do your job just because you don't feel like it, and still get paid. you are not religiously exempt from anything or entitled to anything. we have religious neutrality, not privilege. how some people fail to understand this, is beyond my ability to comprehend.

    every person's interpretation of their ''religion'' is different anyways, and no two people of the same religion agree wholly on the tenets of their religion. one christian agrees we should have abortions, another one is picketing against it.... you can't even agree among yourselves what your religion is basically, and then you attempt to subject people who have nothing to do with it to your idea of what it should be. this is coercion, not freedom of religion.

    your religious sentiment tells you to stay away from alcohol. other people, of different or same faith, practice drinking alcohol. just like they can't force you to start drinking, you can't force them to not drink. not to mention it's in your job description and contract, if you think you can refuse to serve alcohol, then you have to equally agree that other people have the right to force you to drink it. unless you agree with that, the matter is very simple to wrap your underdeveloped brain around.
     
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