Kim Davis - Unethical

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  1. Aerianne

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    I find supremacist-thinking to be shameful-thinking. If someone has no conscience about that, they won't feel shame.
     
  2. Moonglow181

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    Some people do not seem to have much of a conscience....but neurology is starting to show that that is due is brain formation for some cases......or injury to brain along the way.....
     
  3. Aerianne

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    Prior to that they were simply known as sociopaths or psychopathic.
     
  4. meridianwest

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    it always comes down to this, irrationality stubbornly persisting in its illogic and claiming it as the universal truth for every individual on the planet. (i guess it shouldn't be such a surprise that that's how religious people argue). and no matter how clever you are, you can't have a rational exchange with people like that. you'll just get sucked into a never-ending pointless argument having to seemingly prove the already common sense logic of everyday life and mundane definitions of words/language that should be a granted intelligence for most people in the 21st century. i've gotten sucked into such arguments before, and now i just accept the fact that some people are not as intelligent as to have a rational conversation with. it's like trying to explain sex to a 3-year-old. no matter how well you make your case, they still won't understand the subject.

    so i'll just add a quote by Bill Maher:

     
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  5. Moonglow181

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    and BRAVO to Bill Maher for that quote..he says it so well, when he says it. I tried but could not say it any better.....
     
  6. meridianwest

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    i love his rhetoric. his reasoning is very lucid and quick usually.
     
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  7. NoxiousGas

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    :dizzy2:
    that is one of the most ludicrous ideas I've read on here in some time.....LOL

    What all religions do have as common elements are answering a few basic questions;
    where did we come from?
    Is there a purpose to our existence and if so, what is it?
    What is our future fate?

    These are also the fundamental questions asked by modern science.

    all religions also have some type of moral code, most typified by the recognition of empathy; the golden rule, BUT not all teach the same morality.

    your remark that everyone is religious is true, but not everyone adheres to or recognizes a religion
    A person being religious is an entirely different matter than believing in a religion.
     
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  8. MeAgain

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    Murder is an ethical, moral, religious, and governmental no no. To force someone to commit murder against their will is a violation of their values, and if they are religious, I assume their religious values and dogma. All this is not considering how you would make someone commit murder.

    In Kim Davis' case she has a legal, moral, and ethical responsibility to uphold the dictates of her appointed governmental job. If that conflicts with her religious morality, ethics, and dogma, it is not the government's concern as the government is neutral toward religion.
    It is up to her to reconcile the conflict. She can obey the obligations of her job, and violate her religious convictions, or she can violate the legal requirements of her job and uphold her religious convictions. A third alternative would be to resign her job due to a conflict of convictions.

    She has chosen to uphold her religious convictions and violate the requirements of her governmental job.
    The government is not making her be an accessory to the commission of a crime against her religion and her God. She can resign from the job, as it requires her to violate her religious convictions. The Amish typically avoid public office as it involves "unequal yoking" with the outside word.

    Yes, local governments refused to marry gays, just as Davis is attempting to do. The federal government has ruled that that is illegal.

    The state dies not recognize religious marriages, but it does allow some religious officials to act as an agent for the government performing the civil and religious marriage at the same time.



    They were denied privileges the state grants to married couples.
    There was a huge social penalty in times past, recently they have sued.

    Exactly, which is why Davis was prosecuted and should resign.
     
  9. MeAgain

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    Everyone may be spiritual (or not), but not everyone is religious.
     
  10. Moonglow181

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    Yes, I agree with you, meagain....being spiritual and religious are two different things......
     
  11. NoxiousGas

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    and some folks are very religious about their political convictions or their position concerning animal rights, etc.
    Being religious about something does not necessarily have to entail religion, but it is rooted in the belief in something.
    when I think of the term religious I think of the practices of the group as what constitutes whether or not they follow the cohesive idea of the group religiously or not.

    So in that sense most people are religious about something or another.
     
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    is there polygamist gay marriages? serious question too.
     
  13. Aerianne

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    Not legal ones.

    Seriously, the poly families are usually bisexual-types.

    The strictly gay people that I know are not into sharing.
     
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  14. MeAgain

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    If that is the way you choose to define a religion. By that definition, vegetarians, conspiracy theorists, ancient alien adherents, superstitious souls, runners, believers in old wives tales, belief in the good life, etc...all believe in something, so they all should get a tax exemption.
     
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  16. Aerianne

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    Now, Kim Davis is just being used to sway the Christian vote.
     
  17. Wizardofodd

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    Valid.
     
  18. NoxiousGas

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    But is that how I defined RELIGION or how I defined being RELIGIOUS?

    BIG difference between the two even though they share the same root word.
    You do not have to be a "believer" in a religion in order to behave or feel "religiously" about something.

    actually thought I made it rather clear.........
    maybe you need to read more carefully. ;)
     
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    Did I miss something ? No one was prosecuted , and that's because no law was broken . I think the
    contempt citation from the judge was intended to keep the peace . That court action may well have
    not withstood the appeal that was initiated - but then Davis was released from custody .

    As an elected official , Davis may choose to issue no marraige licenses just as a The Sheriff may choose
    to not arrest pot heads . However - there is a recall process that could proceed from generally unpopular
    actions .

    I'll believe The judge's action was ethical with reguard to peacefulness - all that could be done to relax a
    potentially violent community situation .
     
  20. deleted

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    well, i can be the first to marry multiple shemale wives
    not sure if thats going to be a gay marriage
    going to have to think about that for a moment while i wank it out
    :)
     
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